I have read all of the posts about your design and whether or not the red9 kit is any good, unfortunately I have been unable to talk to anybody that owns one.

I think the cost:eek: and probably forum posts have put a lot of people off, BUT I have spoken to Simon at red9 and he seems to know his stuff. I'm going to see the unit in the flesh soon and hopefully have a test drive .

We will see I guess!

Please let us know what you find out.

Jason

Hey,

http://www.robinson-race-cars.co.uk/

Try talking to this guy and go and visit him, He's based in Basingstoke. I've been to his workshop and seen what he gets up to and its all very impressive.

Upon other things I approached him to build a wisebone front set up for my Type 3 and he wasn't fazed by the though of doing it (Unlike me :lmao:). He was very happy to talk about it and offered to do the work for me as he's been doing similiar work for over 30years now.

we didn't touch on what prices would be like, I know the price of the Red 9 one is very appealing, although unfortunatly like you I have only heard controversial things about it through the forums.

I hope this can help you to come to a conclusion

:thumbup:

If it can be built Andy Robinson can either do it or has already done it.
If it can't be built he probably doesn't believe it and will do it anyway...

I do note that his race car prep is confined to drag racing so it might not be 'horses for courses'. I would not be at all confident about designing a drag car suspension but talk to me about highway (rough and smooth) and it will be a different matter.

Cheers Kai4130 for the suggestion, dont doubt Andy Robinson could make one but I fear it would be £££££!

EvilC if you look on Andy's website there are a few customers cars which are not drag racers Jaguar sport for one, check out the XJR15:eek:

Luckily I have tracked down a couple of people who have experience of the Red9 kit, one was indifferent the other rated it highly. Luckily the guys that rated the kit are an outfit that set up suspension for track cars, notably Porsche track cars.

I will be getting one as soon as funds allow and I convince my girlfriend I REALLY do need it!!!:lmao:

I would be more excited if the builder did Lotus Super 7 style kit cars, I suspect the knowledge base there would be the most appropriate for the bug kit.

Jason

There are only 4 customer cars that are not drag racers. The overriding majority are strip cars. Of the four only the XJR15 and the Ligier have suspension components fabricated by ARRC and they are to preset designs and basic main production bits. The XJR15 is disappointingly low grade and not what you would have expected from a top grade GT style racer. ARRC's fabrication skills are not questioned but as a designer of suspension systems for turning corners I have even more doubts.

Thanks for that, it just reinforced my thoughts...

Jason

As I said there were a few, sorry you didn't like what you saw.:(

I went to Stoner park at the weekend and met Simon from Red9, had a proper look at the wishbone front end. I am no expert but it is well made and the guy certainly talks a good game. It was also good to see how all the adjustments (there are quite a few!) are made.

Just so happened whilst I was there a customer who had been up for a test drive and put his money where his mouth is came over, he really rated it. It was nice to hear the opinions of someone who had experienced it first hand.

I think I am going to take the plunge and get one myself as soon as I can afford it, I'll let you know what the verdict is when I do.:)

Sweet!!! Keep us posted.

Jason

WOW, Just found this...not bolt on, but they are working on a Type 1 version apparently. I suggested they make it bolt on, if you feel this might be up your alley let Kevin know.

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/584184.jpg

Mendeola S2 Chassis

Jason

SWEET! :D
looks really nice...

Chris.

Now, that looks like a properly designed system!

My only observation is that the bottom of the coilovers looks vulnerable so its a track/smooth highway vehicle only. However, it ought not to be too difficult to move the whole unit up with shorter coil overs (if available) or even use a rocker and put the units inboard......... It could also do with some nice rose/heim/spherical joints to replace the squidgy poly bushes for some real control.

Clive

UBR DUB saw its first autocross this weekend. She was a bit of a handful, as you can see LOTS of roll, plus without LSD, the inner rear wheel would spin really easily on exits. I'm going to bolt up the stock Golf II sway bar and see what that does, then go bigger from there, and finally add a front bar.

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/590951.jpg

Jason