A pro built 200 bhp type 1 motor with Porsche fan conversion and fuel injection is going to cost £6-7k.

I've seen several sti motors on UK ebay in the last few months all go for around the £2k mark.

To make a scooby / type one cost comparison fair, you'd need to compare to the cost of maybe an EJ20T or similar - many of these go for under £1k.

I like the idea of a Porsche box because of the 5 speed, and I also feel they would stand up to the duty cycle better tyhan a built type one?

I welcome any and all your feed back and comments?

After being involved in an EJ20T (Subaru WRX) transplant into a Type 3, '73 Notch's 'KISS' advice is teh best words of wisdom of this whole thread

Stock engine
stock turbo
stock management system (with wiring modified to suit VW) and DO NOT turn up the boost
Stock exhaust (as far as practical)

DO NOT allow yourself to be talked into/sold super-hottie turbos and aftermarket management systems and all the rice-racer ********e. It all increases cost and complexity for no real gain on the street. The factory 160kW (220hp) is more than enough to make you grin

Oh, and you better get to know a gearbox mechanic...

Exactly, and whos to say you cant do all that down the line later?
The biggest problem ive ran into with projects is that i try to accomplish too much at one time and get stuck on details. You wont get anything done this way because theres always something that can be done at the same time and is holding you up from doing the next step.

-Ryan

I have a question about my Subaru crank pully. I have my EDIS 36-1 tooth wheel on it. I believe the missing tooth goes on the TDC. I can't find the EDIS page right this second. :confused:

Where is TDC on a Subaru pully? I'm going to mount the sensor with adjustment, it won't have to be 100% perfect. I just need in the ball park.

I can't take any pics. My camera isn't working very well these days. :(

Thanks,

the old screwdriver down the sparkplug hole on #1 always works. Im pretty sure theres a notch in the pully that lines up with one of the degree marks on the plastic timing belt cover, do the sparkplug hole trick and see where it lines up.

Mikey how's the gorilla coming around?

I have a 2006 Subaru EJ25 SOHC non-turbo that I need the wiring between the engine and the ECU. The engine has it's main wiring out to the square junction on the engine. I just need between that and the ECU. Can you guys help? Any leads? Thanks!
JiI

Teh Intarwebz is your friend:
http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com
http://www.nasioc.com
http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/

Also check the subaru-vanagon groups in groups.yahoo.

Good luck !

Rob.

Ha, checked out germanlook so many times but never thought of looking at the forum. Great to see all these suby conversions together. I'm working on a 1302 with 901 gearbox which will get an EJ20 with TD-05 turbo. It's an EJ20BUG engine so it was made to go in a bug :rolleyes: I'm hoping to get something of 300hp and it'll be running on a megasquirt system. Well, the photo tells a lot at which point of the build i am now.... I'm waiting on my new gasketset en still not sure on which adapter set to use/buy. I'm thinking of putting the turbo on the front of the engine, somewhere close to the pulley (kind of where the type 1 has its muffler) I've seen it done on sandrails and also impreza's but can't oversee the pro's and con's. Any opinions about that kind of setup?

http://art-oddities.com/HPIM04.jpg

you will have a hard time with the decklid if you move the turbo there.

What is the average cost of a full subaru conversion for the VW? Turbo and non-turbo. We're talking basic engine putting out about 200Hp. I'm curious.

I think I'm just going to suck it up and get the ECM and wiring from outfront motorsports. Keep it simple. It's expensive but I want to get it in and use it without the headaches.
JiI

Hi

Very good advice. I'm going to try to run mine with the stock ECU but I'm not sure how it will react to a different exhaust and intercooler. An ECU upgrade will come down the track after the car is running.

Steve

Advice from Experience?
 

That is excellent advice Glen. But are u able to tell me why the conversion u were involved with has had an aftermarket ecu now for over a year as the stock management system with wiring to suit the vw was uanble to work reliably?
I'm surprised the owner isn't bald from tearing his hair out.
Eventually the owner had an aftermarket ecu installed, tuned (240hp@ the wheels on only 13 pounds boost) & has been running since.
Incidently it's the same aftermarket ecu that I'm using http://www.microtech-efi.com/ mine was installed in October 2004, it spent a whole 2 hours on the dyno & hasn't been touched since. 89'000klms (55'300mls) later & it's still going. Daily driven & flogged on the track, over 200hp @ the wheels on only 8 pounds boost, 38+ mpg.
Did I just get lucky with an aftermarket ECU?

hi everyone, has anyone used the rjes bellhousing or similar in a conversion? just curious what experiences people have had...if any?

Question...
 

I'm thinking about an Ej20t or Ej20Tt conversion for my '61 bug, i found some nicely looking and good priced engines in New Jersey(ebay.com) under 1000$... but without ECU. Ofcourse no wiring... what do you guys think would cost me an aftermarket... or original ecu if I can find one, for a 96-98 legacy or impreza engine. I'm thinking about the TT engine, I'm interested, because now I'n in USa, and I want to buy the engine from here, and send it to Romania, my home country, and continue to work there on the car, but I want to buy what I need, when I'm here... knowing about the things I should know. And the other question... what do you guys think about the CSP pro street transmissions? Would one of those work for a 200-220 HP scooby... with normal usage? I've seen around here guys running on bug trannies... maybe not for long:) Just questions... and about the brakes... if I would use a stock engine, not tuned... new disk brakes... would be enough? not porsche... and other expensive things... because i'm on bugget... and tryibng to get it working... not loosing it in details...

G'day
For me , personally, I wouldn't touch the twin turbo engines. The Subaru guys down here won't touch them, & the majority that do convert them to a single turbo & make more power, why I don't know.

I purchased my engine without an ecu & I purchased an aftermarket one which unleashes lots of power with masses of tuning potential. Plus u get rid of the pesky AFM on the standard engine with an after market ecu which causes a lot of dramas on the standard engine.
i only run 8psi boost & have 204hp & 221ft torque at the wheels. More than enough for me. it's now been going for 5 years this Xmas & I have put over 150'000ks (93'000miles) on the conversion.

As for the gearbox, I have a single side plate box (1303) in my car, just rebuilt with kombi gears as they have a taller 4th 0.82 & are course teeth 3rd & 4th. I just put 65'000klm (40'300miles) on it before 4th gear let go, but thats because I was stupid enough to go drag racing. I had 2 built so I just put the spare in whilst the other one is rebuilt.

That 65'000ks includes daily driving & about 20 track days (supersprints) as well as 3 drag events. I think people underestimate the humble vw gearbox.
unless u drive like an idiot all the time a rebuilt vw gearbox will handle the power.

hope this helps
regards
jak

Thanx. It helps. Can you write more about the gearbox, with parts,... costs if possible...i'm trying to find out if it would be cheaper than a CSP prostreet gearbox.

and some pricing for the ecu?

My gearbox cost isn't a good example for u as my gearbox builder charges me less than half of what others are here in Australia. So thats no good to u.

The ECU is a Microtech, it was $1000 5 years ago. http://www.microtech-efi.com/product/9.html

i also have the dash unit http://www.microtech-efi.com/product/2.html which for the price is incredible value.

regards
Jak

thanx, I've found some options on the internet for gearboxes, now let'ssee what can we do about the motor.... I do have a EA82 subaaru engine, wwith 100 k miles on it, it runs just fine, it is a SPFI,... irfr I'm not wrong, and I was wondering ...what about that conversion with a weber something carb instead of injection...That is just an ideea... the ideal would be the WRX... anyone knows anything about these engines... EA82... and the weber choice .. I've found something on the net... progressive carb kit for my car for just under 300$... anybody tried that? Or I should still find an engine (WRX) with wiring harness and factory ecu for the biginning and funding problems/...

For me, I think that a hot vw engine would be better then the EA82 with carbs.
if u are going to go to the trouble of putting a radiator in your beetle, u may as well make it worth your while & do it properly first time.
regards
Jak

Kafer_cj,

stay away from EA series because they are far old and especially in Greece is hard to find aftermarket parts.
I should recommend the EJ series because they are 16v, injection and much much reliable from the EA.

If you dont want to spend much money for stand alone ECU and want your engine to look more like aircooled you must see this nice thread from shoptalkforums.

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewto...4ce9129e287ccb

cu,
Jimmy

Thanx, i just wander if the EA would be hassle free, for installation, compared to the EJ, and that's why I was thinking about the EA modified to carb, since I still have the engine, and I could buy the rebuld parts if I would like for the engine from here the US, cheap. But if I'll have the money... I will do the EJ20T... if no funds for that I think I'll give a try to the EA that I already have in my car... buy the way... i'm not too far from you when home... Romania...

I agree that a good value for money for the bug is the EJ20T conversion.
Here in Greece you can find complete engine with harness and ECU for 1500 euros!!

Dont forget to keep us posted for you progress in EA build...

cu neighbor!
Jimmy

I'll start a topic when I'll start mybuild... until now.. the bug is painted.. and the bodywork is mostly done... by the way ... a pic or two... on the way home from the painter..

http://picasaweb.google.com/EPE66VW/...letikEgyBogar#

Well, i'll see what else can be done... I just want to know as much as I can before deciding what to do...

most people would stick with a vw engine over an EA

EA81 even though only a pushrod engines are much better than the EA82

subarus first attempt at OHC engines werent a raging sucess

I still hope to find a way moneywise to do a EJ20T conversion, for my bug. If no, I thought about just selling this car I have, and buy a junk-yard legacy engine for 140$ here in Cleveland... and do the carb conversion from the shoptalkforums... I'll think about it, and fight for a job... hopefully the summer will be better in terms of jobs around here... talking about the better paid construction jobs...

My personal opinion is to stay away from the carbs and stick to EFI . Carbs are too touchy . EFI has better drivability , has more power in more conditions , and has better fuel economy . It may be harder to set up originally , but in the end , it is way better . Just my thought , but I am a professional mechanic .

OK, in that case, maybe, if I will not have the money for the turbo, i'll stick on to what I already have, fuel injected ea82, with 100 tmiles. well i'll see. I'm just thinking...

One thing to bear in mind is that the EA series use a different adapter kit to the EJ so going wiht an EA will ruin the chance of a cheaper upgrade in the future...

from the looks of it i'll be going with the 2.5 sohc. :)

would love the turbo, but seems like it could be fun to keep it in a straight line and what is the hp of a 2.5 anyways??

in the uk what car came with the 2.5 sohc?

if its anything like here its late legacys and some foresters

they range anywhere from 155hp upto 170ish depending on the model of engine

be aware though some of the earlier ones had head gasket issues