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NO_H2O November 28th 2013 12:46

very cool.

volkdent November 29th 2013 02:41

Fun

-Alex- November 29th 2013 18:33

Nice :)


But why extreme camber angles? I know negative camber helps at corners, but too much is too much ;)

cookvw November 30th 2013 01:28

Bad ass video man. When you gonna be getting the body back on?

Oldskool1303 November 30th 2013 01:53

cool car Resembles the engineered to slide build

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Alex- (Post 87638)
Nice :)


But why extreme camber angles? I know negative camber helps at corners, but too much is too much ;)

to have a full contact patch at full lock for drifting

vw1303 November 30th 2013 13:30

Oldskool1303 nailed it. -5 degrees camber goes to near 0 camber at full lock. I have modified to the steering system for more angle. Body is being refitted this winter.

H2OSB November 30th 2013 21:30

Watched the video closely because I like the suspension parts you make. I noticed you did away with the holes in the tubular control arms (where the sway bar used to pass through) in favor of a heim joint mount. What sway bar are you using?

btw...If you don't want the old control arms anymore....

vw1303 December 1st 2013 16:00

The front suspension has been changed. It no longer uses the stock pick up points and there is no front sway bar. I am using an adjustable a-arm style suspension now. The pick up points were changed to decrease the length of the front control arms to help with bump steer because the zf bmw e30 steering rack I am using. Now the control arms and tie-rods are the same length and follow the same arc. I also moved the inward mount forward to increase caster. I am running heavier springs in the front as a result and 550lb/in springs and Bilstein dampers are what are currently in the struts. Because of my little mishap on the racecourse I chose to completely redesign the front end and make it a little more robust. The design of the a-arms are similar to what I had with the 1303 control arms just shorter and without a sway bar attachment. I made a tension rod the extends forward giving the control arm stability and it is attached with a heim joint at the front of the car. This tension rod is adjustable so you can adjust for caster even further. The roll centre correctors are still used and you can see the control arms are level and not at an upward angle like most slammed cars. I can say that I really like the way it rides. Very responsive and smooth for a car that is a few inches off the ground. Sorry H20SB the old control arms were used in the making of the new ones...

H2OSB December 1st 2013 19:42

Now that you've described it, I can see what you did (well, as much as can be seen). Before, I only noticed at the end of the video, just before you turn into the driveway. I didn't even look at the front end of the bar...I just assumed it was a sway bar.

When I first got back into Supers (earlier this year) I was going crazy trying to figure out a way to make the fore/aft movement of the control arm into a non-factor (just for suspension stability...I over think everything. Just ask Superman). I looked at so many different designs that I can't recall any car companies, but there are a few using the same idea that you did. Another idea I looked at is using a track arm from the rear so a sway could still be used (more or less in the factory location).

How do you avoid caster changes as the suspension swings through the arc? Or do you just limit the movement with the stiff springs? Clearly, with 550# springs, you're not going to get much movement.

The more I thought about it, the more crazy it made me. I finally decided, perhaps, a T shaped control arm where the "T" was the pivot point up and down. With this, however, there would be no ability to adjust caster...a least not on that end. That's when I decided I would just do urathane bushes and back away.

Oval December 2nd 2013 08:14

great vids!

cookvw December 2nd 2013 12:35

A can you post pics of the new front suspension setup? That would be awesome.

vw1303 February 15th 2014 13:24

Front suspension pics.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...9.jpg~original
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...6.jpg~original
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...a.jpg~original
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...e.jpg~original

SuperRSi February 17th 2014 02:19

Interesting...

SportyBug February 17th 2014 19:09

Very nice. Reminds me of the front suspension and tension rod set up from early Z-cars 70-78

volkdent February 18th 2014 21:27

How about a cross brace and some triangulation? Looking good.

Jason


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