Oval on 19's pic
 

Heres a pic of my project...... no engine in the back to make it level, but you get the idea. I also have to narrow the front end some more and tub the inner fenders.

http://www.baumanfarms.com/joe/vw.jpg

thats sweet man! :D

Sick, plain sick. Who in their right mind would modify a vintage VW??? :D

That looks great, can't wait to see it finished. Please do keep us posted on the progress. :agree: :D

Mike

Panlelfantastic, ya smart*ss :D Your panel is BAD. What kind of power is that GM motor putting out?

By the way, it isnt a real oval so it took alot of the guilt away. I got it as an ex drag car with no rear clip. Dont ever try to weld in a oval dash into a square window car...... royal PITA (top lines up fine, bottom not so good :mad: )

:D
Thanks! You are well on your way also...
My stock Eco puts out 170hp at the crank. Plans call for 350hp next year.

No guilt. It is your car and you can improve it any way you see fit.

19" wheel diameter ?? :eek:

tyre size ????



Benoît

They are 215 35's...... almost too skinny for the rims though.(7.5's)

Man , that car is going to be SICK when it's done . I am totally hyped on this car . You say its not a true oval - what year is it actually ? Also , What are you planning to put in it to make it go ? Definately keep us up to date on this project . I have to say I like the ovals the best for the bugs . Axl . :cool: :agree:

Where did you get your numbers for your Ecotec motor HP? I work for GM and they don't come with that much ponies stock . Axl .

I belive Panel is using a marine/off-road program for his computer... No emissions restrictions...

Not to be rude or anything , but isn't using a different program not considered stock anymore ? But I can go with the 350 HP figure , as GM has designed the Ecotec to handle upwards of 750 HP . The bottom end design came from the latest Corvette engine . Axl .

Well it very near stock anyway. That is the only mod to the engine to my knowledge but you might want to check with Panel first.



The ecotec engine will fail at around 400 hp. 383 hp if I remember correctly from the testing done on that engine for drag racing research. At 750 hp you need aftermarket crank/rods/pistons/head gaskets/head mods, intake and exhaust.

Axl,
Boygenius pretty much nailed it. When I say I have a stock engine, I mean that the engine itself is stock. No header, no aftermarket cams, no nitrous, stock compression, etc. Yes I do have a different engine management than stock and it adds 30+ hp to what an Eco normally puts out. It's just an optimized marine program that still runs clean but makes power instead of being de-tuned to safeguard against a clueless public. I only mention it being "stock" because in the aircooled world you would have to really build an engine to make this kind of hp reliably and for the Eco it is only a starting point. With a trick head, cams, header, etc, making 225hp easy is already proven... with boost, even more. All this info is based on actual engines running in sand cars and is not reflective of what is possible for a GM car that has so many restrictions/limitations.

Okay , I can buy that explanation . Obviously things are going to have to be changed in order to achieve a higher HP output from any engine . I am just going by the numbers that the General is giving us . I am currently a GM Goodwrench Tech , and I get the opportunity to work on alot of the Ecotecs . They are a good engine from all that I have seen . The only piece of advise that I can give you is - if you change your own oil , DO NOT USE WATERPUMP PLIERS ON THE OIL FILTER CAP!!!!! I had a rental car come in from Enterprise rent a car that had just been serviced by an independant shop , and they cracked the oil cap by using waterpump pliers , and the engine eventually ran dry from all the oil leaking out of the cap . The engine was fried , and cost the shop who did the work alot of money to replace the engine in this car . It ended up being something like $15 thousand with labour and taxes when all was done . I ended up having to buy a socket just for the filter , so I wouldn't do the same thing . Axl .

For that much you could buy a new car. :eek:

I am not sure exactly how much it actually ended up being , but I do know it was very expensive . Also , don't forget that this is in Canadian $$$$$ , which means it would probably be closer to 8 or 9 thousand American (rough guess) . The car in question I believe was worth about 18-22 thousand Canadian brand new (it was loaded) . I guess you have to take into account where I am when you look at the money question . Not only is the American dollar worth more , but as Canadians , we are paid more per average than Americans , but we also pay more for the same items , and we are taxed at a higher rate than Americans (right now I pay about 40% taxes , and thats not close to being in the highest tax bracket , which is very close to 50%) . In the end , I think I would prefer the American system over the Canadian system anyday . As a matter of fact , our leader (called a Prime Minister) and his party (the Liberals) were just found to have wasted on what is called the Sponsorship Scandel , several BILLIONS of dollars . The sad part of it all is that not more than six months after this all hit the fan , the public STILL put them back in power in the last election . Only in Canada . Axl .

Canadians aren't the only ones... US polititians can steal, lie, get busted for buying and selling drugs, commit conspiracy, you name it, and still get re-elected.

I forgot about the conversion rates. It still works out to about the same percentage of the cars total value.


I pay around 28% taxes to 33% depending on the amount of my paycheck. :(


Only in America... :laugh:

We have an American on our breakfast show up here on one of the channels , and he said he was asked why he moved up here from the U.S. His response was he felt like he just wasn't being taxed enough! Axl . :laugh:

Well I'm taxed enough and don't want anymore taxes. Although I don't mind paying taxes when the money is spent on needed causes. I hate paying for politicians little pet projects. :mad:

at least for your extra taxes you get healthcare... :agree:

Axl, how much power?
 

back to the eco-tec stuff, Axl, how much reliable power can i get from an ecotec motor for 4000-5000 dollars(U.S.)? I'm brain storming right now and I'm considering anything. All suggestions welcome. I'm shooting for the 400 hp range. Oh yeah, it will be connected to a 6-speed g-50 (good for 800 hp in a 3,000 pound car) thanks a lot.

Maybe I can help with some Eco info...
This thread is 14 pages long but has tons of Eco info from several guys doing conversions right now... http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=69767

As far as dollars spent, $500 would probably get you a good used Eco, another $2k for everything to make it run. That gets you 170hp. For $600-700 you could add a non-intercooled turbo ( if you built the kit yourself ) and would get you to probably 225hp. If you were gonna go any farther, you need to build it for boost, i.e. turbo pistons, better rods, billet crank. Then you could go big turbo, intercooler, big boost. You could easily make the 400hp but it won't be happy on pump gas and you will seriously stretch that $5k you want to spend...
The big thing is how cheap you can find an Eco to start with and how much fabrication and salvage picking you are willing to do. A lot of the turbo bits could be had on the cheap but decent pistons, crank and rods will be retail items. Trying to run 15-20psi boost without the bottom end parts, you'd be building a grenade.