She's running under full power !
 

It's been a while since you heard from me. I've been (am) very busy with work and am usually not at home during the week. (That's also why I have not been attending any meetings).

Anyway, this weekend I finally was able to rig up a VSS and had her running under full power. All I can say is Holy Sh!t !! Man, that thing is fast, I have a feeling it will be able to keep up with my WRX.

The gearing is wayy to short for the motor, but I have a feeling I'm going to need to replace the tranny anyway.

Things to do before I can really get her on the road:
- Mount battery
- Build shroud and ducting for Rad
- Lexan quarter windows with ducts
- Rear apron and deck lid

BTW, does anybody know whaty kind of oil I should use for the tranny ?

Thanks!

Rob.

Congrats!

80W90 for the tranny will do fine.

Rob,

I'm doing same conversion as you with the difference that my engine is the non turbo version EJ20 JDM!
I'm having problem with the VSS(i dont have it)and when the temperature reach 70celcious the engine cannot rev under 3000rpms but when it's cold it revs at the limit 6500rpms!
Seems that the ECU turns the engine in safe mode.

Do you know where i can find one of those and where it has to be connected?

Keep up the good work!

Thank in advance,
Jim

Hey Jim,

I rigged up my own VSS, see here:
http://www.vanbran.com/bug/conversion_main.htm
check page 9 and 10.

As to the RPM's, are you sure it's temperature related ?
If you do not have a VSS, the motor won't run over (I think) 3k RPM.

Rob.

Pics and or videos or it didn't happen!:D

Alex

Hi

I saw a post on another VW forum and the guy had all sorts of trouble with his Subaru powered VW car on a dyno because the VSS ran off the front wheels and it didn't turn while the car was being dynoed, so running your off the CV is brilliant and cost effective as well.

I bought a VDO one that fits on the speedo cable and it was not cheap.

Steve

Never though of that, but yeah, that *would* be a problem on the dyno.
Since the front wheels don't turn, the ECU things you are standing still, and won't rev over 3K.
Mine's hooked up to the rear axle anyways :)

Rob.

This won't help you since you already have it hooked up, but on my ej22 OBD2 bus I made a little circuit with a 555 timer IC and it spits out a square wave just like the original VSS to keep the computer happy. Basically a VSS simulator. The result is my computer thinks I'm doing a certain speed all the time but I don't get a code and no problems in 30,000 miles. The two things I found that the computer uses VSS for is 1) limits revs when you're not moving and 2) changes the idle air motor so slow the engine down if you're cruising and let the the engine idle down, otherwise rpm drops to quick and the engine dies. Thats my experience anyway.
Just another option that might help somebody

Mike

Mike, that's good info. I want to 'trick' the computer in thinking that some of the other sensors are still there so I can get rid of the CE light.
Can you give me some more info on the IC you used and do you know if it could also be used for the other sensors ?

Rob.

Rob,

The IC I used is just called a 555 timer, its very common. Its a device that can be put into two modes, stable or astable. Astable mode makes it just output a pulse at a whatever speed is dictated by the resistors in the circuit. If you run into problems with your VSS or somebody else wants this info I can make a circuit diagram to upload with all the necessary components.

The only other CELs I get on mine are thing like fuel tank pressure and temperature. If these are the same ones you're getting, they're very easy to trick. Below is info for correcting the two codes I got. I didn't actually go through with this to get rid of the codes because I'm not running a CEL, I just scan it if I notice a problem.

183. The fuel temp info to ecm is wrong. It's expecting to see 4.71v or less. That should be easy to fix, just send 5v thru resistor to that ECM wire. You may have some other sensor that provides the right voltage. Just jump it to that terminal.

463. Fuel level sensor. It expects more than 10.9v with ignition on, around 3v when running. That should be easy fix. See if your current fuel sender provides 3 vdc. Then send that voltage to ecm.

Let me know if you are getting other codes and I may be able to help

Mike

Thanks Mike, that's great info! Exactly what I am looking for !.
I'm not running a second O2 sensor, so I somehow need to trick it into thinking that one's there as well.

Rob.

Hey quys..

Do you think one of those might be work to solve my problem??
I have found from a local shop called "Brantz rallymeters"these two sensors

Which of them is the correct one??

Universal speedcable sensor

http://www.rallyracingshop.gr/images/cablesensor.jpg

or this
Japanesse Gearbox

http://www.rallyracingshop.gr/images/japsensor.jpg


Price each is 50euros.

Thanks in advance,
Jim

Don't worry about the 02 sensor, no tricking needed. Just run the first one. The ecu only uses the first one in closed loop operation, the second one is sort of a 'check' on the Cat Converter, but it doesn't affect how the engine runs. On my van I hooked the second one up but it just sits exposed to fresh air, haven't had a code yet.

Mike

Hey Jim,
Check out my previous posts, and if you want those Speed sensors to work, you just need to check the output if you want the computer to actually know the correct speed you are going. The ecu is expecting to see a square wave pulse, with four pulses per revolution of the wheel. The computer considers one pulse to be voltage decreasing to 0V (below 0.1V or something) and increasing to 5V (over 4.7V I think). So if the speed sensor you find outputs a wave you just need to supply it with a ground and 5V from one of the engine sensor power wires and you're all set.

Mike

Hi

Im glad you told us that, I only got the one 02 sensor with my motor, just before the turbo and I was going to source one, no need now.

Steve

Thanks in advance all of you quys!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem was solved after installed the Brantz vss behind the speedometer.
Now it revs with no problem at top high of 6500rpms and is ready for daily use and why not for some street race!!!!

Kind regards,
Jim

Please take it to the track
No Street racing :D
save that for the Rice burners

Chris.

It seems that i will never pass the VSS problem:angry: :angry: :angry:

It stops to give signal in to the ECU..

Can i bypass the error code and if yes how can i do it?

Also until now no way found on how to read from my 14pin OBD..as I need to plug a paraller ECU:confused:

Please see attached pictures and if anyone knows anything about this problem please advice.

The OBD slot appears with read color.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1808/174wx7.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8735/52ej9.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/739/525qf3.jpg

Thanks in advance fellas!
Jim

What are you using to read the OBD codes ?
I bought a cable of a guy in Montreal and used a free tool to read the codes (I think it was EcuExplorer)



As to the VSS, I used a super simple solution, and it seems to work fine. Is your ECU not registering the signal, or is your VSS not sending out a signal ?

Check out page 9 and up: http://www.vanbran.com/bug/conversion_main.htm

Rob.

Hi Rob

Your solution for the VSS is brilliant.

Something occurred to me a while ago regarding the VSS, what happens when you put the car on a dyno, will you get a error code because the front wheels aren't turning and operating the VSS?

Maybe someone else has got around this, but I thought that you could spin the VSS with an electric drill at the appropriate time to avoid error codes.

Steve

When I was figuring my van out I just had the ecu VSS wire, a 5v wire and a ground. I would just touch the VSS wire to the ground and 5V a couple times and even if it was very slowly it would work. For most of the ECU's I don't think the computer cares what the speed of the VSS is saying as long as it has a signal that goes from 5V to ground continuously. This is just my experience. So for the dyno you could just do that during the run and hopefully it would work.

As much as I'd love to take credit for the solution, It's not mine :)
The guys at the Subaru-Vanagon group came up with this.

As to the Dyno question: the VSS is on the rear axle, so it would work just fine :)

Rob.

Hi

The VSS that I have is one that hooks up to the speedo cable, so if I dyno my car I would need to make arrangements to trigger it. I'm pretty sure the VSS. informs the management software that the car has stopped, you wouldn't want to have an error code show up during tuning.

I now have plug & play Autronic SM4 ecu for my car which has an Autotune feature, I just need to buy O2 interface for it and then I could do most of the tuning on the road.

Steve

Ya my van is still subaru ecu but I have a Apexi Power FC for the beetle. The one problem with the little VSS simulator circuit that I have is that it is on all the time, so the high idle you get while driving the car is there all the time. I would be nice if when stopped it would idle down some. I think I'm going to try the reed switch idea seems it seems fairly cheap and easy/quick.

Ah, Now I see :)

When the stock ECU does not see a VSS signal it will limit the RPM's to 3500 (or so).
So yeah, tuning with only 3500 RPM wouldn't work so great ;)

Rob.