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Sandeep June 27th 2010 21:12

Wow !

Is that a 6 puc Kennedy unit ? Have you looked at a dual disc setup ? I believe there is an advantage to 4 friction surfaces vs two for your power level. I'm looking in to it as well.

Sandeep




Wally June 28th 2010 14:44

Yep, that is, or better - was- a Kennedy 6-puck semi-metallic unit and a Sachs Race-engineering HD 228mm clutch (probably stage 2-ish).

They couldn't make me a organic twin-disk set-up (too thick), but instead I had to get the semi-metallic twin disk set-up with a G50 center. Hope it will still be driveble. Short of a stage 3, there are no options, so I went for that one.
I ordered it with a stage 1 pp. We'll see if we can get it round my shortenend G50 spline...

Luismj June 29th 2010 21:12

wally,
One friend use this clutch (made usa) in one drag beetle with 900+ HP.
He said it was very good. What do you think about this?

http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/w...o.jpg~original

Not found exactly the same on the internet. But the link below have one sample.
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...o_Stage_5/7263

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgLKqW74agE

JK Fab June 29th 2010 22:26

That is a black magic clutch disc. A lot of higher HP vw guys use that disc with a stage 1 plate.

vdubzack June 29th 2010 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by JK Fab (Post 76700)
That is a black magic clutch disc. A lot of higher HP vw guys use that disc with a stage 1 plate.

I love this disc!!! Used to drag with, and can be freshened up by media blasting after a few runs. Almost like new. A little harsh on take off, but locks right up. Less harsh I found if hydralic clutch is used. also check out the Gene Berg dual friction disc.

Wally July 1st 2010 05:16

What is better than one black magic disk?


Two of them...:rolleyes:
Apperently kennedy use these to make their double disk set-up.
This is what came in yesterday:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...windisk003.jpg

70Turbobug July 1st 2010 06:17

That should work;) Looking at your pics makes me realize once again what drag racing does to components...

Quote:

Mark,
257 km/h is sort of crazy in a beetle on the highway/autobahn. I recalculated and that is 251 km/h, which is close enough. Crazy...how does his stay stable for that? He runs less aero then I do, but his car is also less wide, so maybe that helps some to gain the speed. Still, over 250 km/h is wow!
Actually,he has no aerodynamic "helper" whatsoever. A fairly standard suspension up front with Bilstein(?) gas shocks,beam supports and Rememle´s uniball rear suspension with stock steel trailing arms.Maybe he sits a little lower to the ground than you due to the 15" wheels? The car was very stable,felt like we were doing 130-150Km/h.

Wally July 1st 2010 16:01

FPR and -6 AN upgrade:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...2.jpg~original

and of the fuel rails (drilled and tapped for 3/8 NPT):
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...1.jpg~original

Supa Ninja July 2nd 2010 00:43

Wally, I'm loving the progress your build has made, sweet!

paul_f July 2nd 2010 07:25

Where do you take your MAP from Wally, have you drilled and tapped the manifolds?

Cheers
Paul

Wally July 2nd 2010 08:29

Tnx Ninja,
Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_f (Post 76727)
Where do you take your MAP from Wally, have you drilled and tapped the manifolds?

Cheers
Paul

Yes, tapped all 4 ports and have them come together in one box with some more fittings for MAP sensor, waste-gate, EBC, BOV and fpr. 9 connections in all therefore...:shocked: ;)

70Turbobug July 3rd 2010 06:36

Now I know what I wanted to ask you Wally..where did get those thick gaskets for your manifolds and throttlebodies?

Wally July 3rd 2010 07:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70Turbobug (Post 76742)
Now I know what I wanted to ask you Wally..where did get those thick gaskets for your manifolds and throttlebodies?

Those were made (machined) from hard plastic 18mm kitchen top material by a friend of mine.
Mc Gyver style ;)

70Turbobug July 3rd 2010 09:00

Really?! That´s pretty cool! I would have never thought of that! I hope your wife wasn´t too hard on you for cutting a chunk out her kitchen top :D

Sandeep July 3rd 2010 09:10

Great upgrades Wally. All appropriate for a 400 hp " 20 min Ring " beetle :D

Sandeep

Wally July 10th 2010 05:01

Finally I got all parts to install the Sard FPR:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...Sardfpr001.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...nnected003.jpg

Tnx Sandeep; spring 2010 is already behind us, how is your engine comming along?

70Turbobug July 10th 2010 12:45

Cool! What did set your fuel pressure at? Will you have change your maps or can the DTA adapt and still use the current maps?

paul_f July 10th 2010 12:53

Wally will you leave you fuel pressure gauge in place or will you remove it?

I have the same one, but it says to only use it for setup only and to not drive with it fitted on the box

Wally July 10th 2010 14:33

Mark: it was about 3,5 bar, but the closed loop fuel control of the DTA ecu can easily make little fuel changes if fuel presure will be different ;)
Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_f (Post 76833)
Wally will you leave you fuel pressure gauge in place or will you remove it?

I have the same one, but it says to only use it for setup only and to not drive with it fitted on the box

Yep, the same text was on this one. The gauge was very cheap, that FPR wasn't :lmao:
Not sure yet if I will try it out on longer runs, but I might just remove it and plug the hole after the fuel pressure is original again.
Good eye!

Machined flywheel for the twin disk set-up just before it went in:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...1.jpg~original

Wally July 14th 2010 13:40

Reinstalling engine pics:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...mer2010024.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...mer2010025.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...mer2010010.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...mer2010027.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...mer2010029.jpg

I wanted to connect a port from the header to measure turbo beack pressure. From am idea of a good friend of mine, I used an old brake hose to saw off the coupling and just used a regular copper-alloy brake line to connect it to:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...mer2010017.jpg

chug_A_bug July 14th 2010 16:29

looks great as always man... btw your dog is Sweet looking :)

Chris.

Pablo July 14th 2010 16:34

I see a new addition. Have you had trouble with the fan belt jumping off Walter?

Paul

Wally July 14th 2010 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 76907)
I see a new addition. Have you had trouble with the fan belt jumping off Walter?

Paul

Good eye Paul. Yeah, it ran fine for two years beating the sh*t out of the engine revving to over 7K, but at the last drag days this year, the belt suddenly came off, mainly in the burn-out box when the rear suspension bogged/squatted.
Hopefully this will keep it on, even in 'abnormal' conditions.

Yep, love my english springer spaniel. We have always had those for as long as I can remember ;-)

Engine runs again and the twin disk seems to engage pretty easy and gentle. Much to my surprise I must admit. It only rattles from the center plate like an old Ducati when the clutch is depressed. Oh, well :)
Tomorrow test drive to work I was thinking :D

Wally July 18th 2010 06:41

Test drive went fine: clutch engages really not different than the former one, which is great!
Backpressure is about 50% over boost pressure, which gives great spool but seems a little too restrictive for this 2.2 liter engine.

I need a bigger turbo! :D (again..:o)

Next weekend is Spa Francorchamp 'Le Bug show'! Can't wait to finally be allowed to drive the whole track.

NO_H2O July 18th 2010 08:14

Good to see you have overcome the clutch issue. That set up should get the power down. Have a good trip to Spa. I hope to see an in-car video of a lap of Spa.

fahrvergnugen July 18th 2010 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally (Post 76957)
Next weekend is Spa Francorchamp 'Le Bug show'! Can't wait to finally be allowed to drive the whole track.


Hey Wally, good to hear that the clutch works.
We'll be camping on the Spa grounds, maybe you can come over and share some thougts (and beer):cool:

Cheers Paul.

Wally July 18th 2010 12:52

Definately Paul! I'll be getting there sateurday morning early and camping wit Franc(o).
CU there!

Wally July 18th 2010 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by NO_H2O (Post 76958)
Good to see you have overcome the clutch issue. That set up should get the power down. Have a good trip to Spa. I hope to see an in-car video of a lap of Spa.

Good idea, I'll bring the camera down and put it on its pedastal on the cage.
Will be the first time I an allowed to drive on the Spa track since I know have (Clarcson speak:) scaffolding in the back :lmao:

Sandeep July 20th 2010 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally (Post 76829)
Tnx Sandeep; spring 2010 is already behind us, how is your engine comming along?

I have all of the parts to put the long block together, and all of the induction system, and electronics but still have to build a horizontal fan set up.

My biggest issue right now is finding a twin spark knock control system, and until I find something that exists / works like a J&S, I am not in a rush to build :(

PLEASE post some video of your runs at SPA.

Sandeep

Wally July 21st 2010 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandeep (Post 77003)
My biggest issue right now is finding a twin spark knock control system, and until I find something that exists / works like a J&S, I am not in a rush to build :(

Good thinking. By now I know its almost only one thing that breaks a turbo engine and that is knock, so I hear you loud and clear. Wish I could help you with an idea, but I haven't got one yet..

No worries about the vid of the track driving. I hope somebody also films from the stands so you can see more bugs driving by on the track :)
I have the Water/meth tank filled up, brought some spare 98/93 with me and am packing my camping gear.

And I hope it will stay dry weather...

Wally July 25th 2010 16:37

It just doesn't get any better then this...

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...3/IMGP3704.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...0.jpg~original

Saturday was a 'mildly moist' condition and I did 1,5 hours of non-stop track driving.
Sunday was a beautifull day at Spa and track driving in the dry was so much more spectaculair. We drove one hour full on and the engine held in at only half an hour as it was already then short of fuel (25 ltrs gone)
I only filmed saturday as I left the camera running till the disk was full (26 minutes). Unfortunately, that also doesn't work with youtube (max 10), so I'll have to cut it somehow. Will take a bit ;)
But its just great to see the Race Taxi coming in your mirror and overtake you at Spa :D

The track is 7 km long and soooo beautifull. Its like a small version in length of the Nurburgring, but a bigger version as far as the track width and corners are concerned.

skywalker July 26th 2010 04:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally (Post 77059)
It just doesn't get any better then this...

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...3/IMGP3704.jpg

That's a great picture Walter! :goodjob:

Finally we shook hands. It was nice to meet you, although the circumstances were not as good as above picture. I'm glad we together could fix the clutch problem and you could drive home!

When you drove next to Erik near Arnhem and you lift the gas pedal a huge flam left the exhaust. :eek: Awesome view tho.

Erik promised not to make any pictures, so I did. :D

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...0.jpg~original

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...2.jpg~original

Wally July 26th 2010 05:20

Haha! Yeah, I was very lucky you guys 'Mc guyvered' me out there. Muchos gracias again!
Was indeed cool meeting you guys, alyhough circumstances could have been better. I actually made it just till home as on the driveway, the clutch pedal was too far gone again and had to push the car into the garage the last 5 meters :lmao:
Well, I have 2 weeks to find the hydraulic leak ;)
The driving back with 3 fat chicks in a row on the highway was great fun. I must say Erik kept a pretty decent average speed :D
Great pics too! Funny thing is: 2 days of full-on track driving and all goes well. I cruise home and all stupid small ancilleries crap out on me...

One more, cause it was such a thrill to be there:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...6.jpg~original

Steve C July 26th 2010 07:25

Hi

Great photos, Eve saved them for my screen saver, cant wait to see the video.

Did you talk to Race taxi? I met him in Sydney when he was down here doing a course in English, he was also taught to swear by some friends of mine, great guy.

Steve

NO_H2O July 26th 2010 07:29

Great to hear you made it there, drove the track 2 days and drove home. Very nice pix. I bet it was nice to be on track with the Race Taxi. Spa is one of my favorite track to watch a race.
The question must be asked. Did you lift thru Eau Rouge?
Thanks for the pix. Can't wait for the video.

Wally July 26th 2010 07:42

No, I didn't really talk with him Steve, he was very busy with others and so was I with strapping down my passenger and all.

No, I didn't just lift for eau rouge, I braked there on sunday when the track was dry! Your comming down from a hill full-on power with quite high speed. I usually brake before corners..., especially if you have no downforce. In the wet we even felt the car having 'a moment' in the right hander just after the dip upwards, so I knew then I found the limit already.
As I was running behind the Race Taxi for a moment, I saw his brake light come on there too, so I didn't feel too bad about it haha!

This was the Holzapfel Overfly engine that was in the Cup car of Thomas Wöhr. Nice guy, showed me around on this car ;-)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...4.jpg~original

Wally July 26th 2010 11:40

From saturday (wet) shot from some-one else's car (great footage):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz9OAKwjVq0

Sunday (dry) line-up before the start:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...a.jpg~original

Wally July 26th 2010 12:10

Is it a plane? Is it a bird?
No, its the mythbuster :lmao:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=179GA97x778

Wally July 26th 2010 15:06

Finally got the last part of the saturday (moist) onboard lap uploaded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84WNyusrIxc

And this is how it looks from inside the race taxi on the dry sunday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfbsM56H9tk

Here's a view of a group of fast track Bugs driving on sunday. Now, where do you see that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvhwl_tpVBE

Spa was absolutely great this year!

SilverBullet July 27th 2010 10:08

WoW!! Love the sound of your car flying by Wally!.
Like a fly pass! Solid!!


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