Classic GL tuning: 2,7 Type 4

[Wally]

Well, because of all this Suby engine talk going on (looks almost like the conversion forum here), I thought it would be appropiate to show you the beginning of my next build-up: a 103x80 aircooled type 4 engine with classic parts and some high tech new developments used as well:



Engine uses a set of unused (NOS if you like) Oettinger/Mahle Nikasil cylinders and forged mahle pistons, an old but original 80mm Oettinger (=Okrasa) forged counterweighted crank with custom 5,7" rods, 914 2,0 heads, reworked in the 'apfelbeck bat-cave' with 46x40 valves, unwelded.
Type 1 ceramic cam followers and a custom grind split-duration and - lift cam.

Induction is DTA EFI with 48mm Jenvey Thr.-bodys and exhaust will be a custom 4-2-1 system.

Updates as they occur

Best regards,
Walter

[judgie]

very cool
cant decide to go big or turbo for the race car.
cheers rob

[Wally]

Well, the above ain't cheap. You have to love the features and charm a lot of such a big N/A All Motor to go to these lengths

Otherwise, all other Hp-increasing possibilities are usually more hp per $.
Personally, I just love it, but thats just me

[MattKab]

That is my dream engine Wally. A very cool parts collection you have for it.

Your Beetle is PURE GL, if I may say so..

I look forward to following this build-up. :agree:

Matt

[Wally]

Thanks Matt, I especially appreciate it coming from you
After all, I do need a potent engine to perform a sub-10 minute lap on the 'Ring' before you do it

Your Beetle is PURE GL, if I may say so..

Actually, you may not I like to see the so-called GL 'movement' as German-Style, not german LOOK, since I didn't build the car to create a certain 'look', but to perform a certain task. Effectiveness of the mods is usually all I'am after, not necessarily how it looks...
I really really don't want to be associated to the Cal -Look, Rat -Look, and all the other 'looks', where people indeed are focussed on how it looks

Thanks, I won't disappoint you, I'am sure.

All I am doing now is save up for a nice oil pump. I just sorta found out that the Autocraft 2-stage pump that I fancied more than likely is just made for a VW Type 1 case, so it should fit a typ 4 case just as well nicely.


Thanks,
Walter

[judgie]

Originally Posted by Wally

All I am doing now is save up for a nice oil pump. I just sorta found out that the Autocraft 2-stage pump that I fancied more than likely is just made for a VW Type 1 case, so it should fit a typ 4 case just as well nicely.


Thanks,
Walter

hello mate
be carefull with a pump made for a type1 as you have to machine a hell of a lot of the back of the housing and shorten the drive shaft,and you might find that it still hits the cam bolts
the pump i use is from stateside tuning in the uk,bolts stright in and works,designed from the start for a type4.
cheers rob

[Wally]

Tell me more then about the Stateside DS pump Rob!
Do you have any specs? Gear lengths?, Does it have some sort of bearing for the pump shafts? Costs?

The idea was/is that if a 30 mm Schadeck Type 1 pump that is being sold as is, also fits a typ 4 when you clearence the cam bolts (partly by recessing the bolt heads a bit into the cam gear), other typ 1 pumps should fit then just as well...
Or am I thinking too simply?

Tnx,
Walter

[jonas_linder]

3mm shim

Yes, others should fit too!

[volkdent]

Looking good Wally. Nothing like some fun torque. Keep us updated of course, with plenty of pics!

Jason

[MattKab]

Hey Wally, I feel exactly the same way about how it should be done VW did a good job with the 'look' of the car, I tell myself it looks standard. But the standard physics are long gone..

Oops, I'm late for work

Matt

[judgie]

Originally Posted by Wally

Tell me more then about the Stateside DS pump Rob!
Do you have any specs? Gear lengths?, Does it have some sort of bearing for the pump shafts? Costs?

The idea was/is that if a 30 mm Schadeck Type 1 pump that is being sold as is, also fits a typ 4 when you clearence the cam bolts (partly by recessing the bolt heads a bit into the cam gear), other typ 1 pumps should fit then just as well...
Or am I thinking too simply?

Tnx,
Walter

a link to the new web site http://www.statesidetuning.co.uk/
cheers rob

[Wally]

the pump i use is from stateside tuning in the uk,bolts stright in and works,designed from the start for a type4.
cheers rob

Thanks Rob,
Coincidently, I may have found a source for a german made DS pump. Maybe it is the same german DS pump that Stateside mentions on their site.

It has 26/38mm gears and has additional bearings (which a Schadeck hasn't) at the end of the gear shafts. Also it is made for a type 4 like Rob mentions. Apperently a lot of the old Cup-cars used this one as well. I like it a lot and the price is right also. It is sold by a privateer. For now, its all I know about it, but will keep you updated as info arrives.
Hopefully next month the pump may be here

Greets,
Walter

[Bad bug]

Wally who sells this pump which one of the gears is the pressure side.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by Bad bug

Wally who sells this pump which one of the gears is the pressure side.

How good is your german language?
I am not sure if he writes english, but you could ask him. As written above, its not a company, but a privateer AFAIK. Send me a PM and I can email you his email adress.

And you must be kidding asking which side is the pressure side right?