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Wow...what an endeavor.
Sandeep, you said you're using a 3" narrowed beam, and 2 inch fenders...my newbie math equates that to 7 inches of increased space. Max struts with 2.5 fenders should work right? I just don't want to order something, then find out it's too narrow and be broke to buy the other ones, lol. Money is tight...I'm oh so squeezing this by, lol. |
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Nope .... 3" Dropped beam, not narrowed and 2" wide fenders.
If I drop the beam all the way, the tire presses on the headlight buckets ... looks BAD A$$ but I'd rip out the headlights over the first bump Raising the beam gives me suspension travel, and the tire is covered by the fender nicely, and nothing rubs when I corner hard. I'm not sure how wide of a fender you are going to need. What I did to choose my setup was to install my wheels/tires and brakes under stock fenders and then measure how wide I needed to go. check the details here ... http://www.germanlook.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=175 You may try www.glass-action.com for some fender options ... I ordered their 2" fronts and was pleased with the quality. Sandeep |
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What the differences in clearance between your set-up and a Super with Max struts? Example is our cars. Same wheels and width/offset....what's the difference in clearance bewteen a Super w/Maxx and a STD?
The only problem with measuring once the wheels, and ordering fenders later is it's a daily driver. You can see how this is causing a problem, lol. Double edged sword how I' need to do everything at once = a good before/after comparo. But It makes for one hell of a PITA to source all the parts BEFORE hand.... Thanks for all the help...this is making things a ton easier....only thing I'm looking at now is the 299mm 87 944T brakes looking "lost" under such a big wheel, even worse on the rear.... |
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I'd wait until you get responces from the super guys, the std and super differ in track width, how the suspension moves etc...so the comparision will be difficult.
have you tried the super beetles only forums? theres a big one that most of the guy here with supers visit I'd give them a try, probably help you out beter then trying to figure out how the std and super compare
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I've had an account at SBO.com forums for quite some time, but never posted there....tech info didn't seem as replied to as over here. That and the fact that there's like NO TRAFFIC wouldn't really help much. I've just posted a topic there just like 2 seconds ago asking.
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oh hey what about post another topic here, may be people look at the title " Which do you think makes the car look more GL? " even though the subject matter has changed, may be that will attract more people. Though I must admitt this forum in particular is a bit slow anyways.
But yea I too drive my project as a daily driver, Hey if you want I can email you a excel spread sheet, its the one I was using to calc my difference in turning, i made it for my std bug, but should work for a super. What it does is compare the stock rim to the new rim. you can add things like spacers and stuff and it calc where the edges of the wheel move. If you want it email me and I'll give you a watered down version so you can play with it if need be. Just remeber its just a tool and there are no guarantees. As i don't know if it would intefer with things like head lights or the front sway bar etc... it just tells you where you are at WRT the stock rim. Frankly its a lot like the offset calcutor in the sticky post but I've added stuff. let me know easy Rip
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I'll just change the topic to "8.5 wheel offset on a super.." Thanks for the recommendation :agree:
Went around tell me if this sounds right.... Quote from topline parts about thier maxx strut: Quote:
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So, if I can fit a 7 inch tire under a stock fender with stock drum brakes, with the Machined Porsche kit OR billet hub conversion, a 2in fender kit with Maxx struts should be fine with a 8.5 inch front rim..it'll be nice and flush. It's only a 1.5 inch wheel width increase(and still mantaining a 52mm offset), as even with the billet hub adding 2.6mm of total track width, that's still only 7/64ths of an inch.... So: Maxx struts + 8.5inch rim = 2in (2.5 at the very most) fender required lol Unless, my captian obvious math is all jacked, lol Now...should be fun getting all this ordered.... |
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These look like the BBS LM rims which costs $1584 for the front two (18x8) and $1692 for the rear two (18x9½) for a Porsche Boxter. If nearly $3300 for rims alone are cheesy cheap, I need to rob a few more banks. (I thought BBS made wheels for VW, Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche as well as bonafide open- and close-wheel race cars.) |
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I know BBS makes some sick wheels, but I'm tlaking about the most common BBS wheel you find on crap today....
You see those on every old Corolla or Camry out there. I dunno why the Euro guys have such a fascination with them either...you seem those wheels ALL OVER THE PLACE in the VW magazines on Jettas, Golfs and whatever other car in like 14" size with tires that are too narrow for the rim and really low profile...yuck. |
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okay so here's my calcs
with the struts allowing only 6" of bcksp (~152.4mm) then assuming your billet hub increase width by .55" (~14mm) okay so lets look at your wheels 8.5" (~215.9mm) ET is 52mm center is 108.0 assuming a 12.7mm bead lip your bcksp is 172.7mm your frntsp is 68.7mm Now the stock ones 4" (~101.6mm) ET is 40mm center is 50.8 assuming a 12.7mm bead lip stock bcksp is 103.5mm stock frntsp is 23.5mm with the brakes your bcksp will be 172.7mm-14mm=158.7mm now 158.7mm is about 6mm more than the allowed 6" of bcksp so see if Lanner can make those hubs a bit wider or use spacer Now for the front 68.7mm+14mm=82.7mm and comparing that to the stock front space of 23.5 your over by 82.7-23.5=59.2mm which is a little bit more than 2", by about 8.3mm. So if you want a slightly tucked look 4.4mm in compared to stock or a little bit pushed out look of 8.3mm compared to stock, it up to you, but this will all change with the brake's spacing. good luck
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Think it's taken from outside of the tire, in which case you'd be looking at almost a 5" increase. plus the increase of scrub.
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Maybe I'm confused with offset and track increase....I know on his site, the machined/modified 944T hubs increase track by +2mm
Here's the eMail about the billet hubs and machine work: Quote:
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Arghhh.....my head hurts. Maybe we're over analyzing this, lol |
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I'd get ahold of the guys at Topline and confirm exactly how much backspacing you can use. If 6 is still okay or is it already at the boarder of "your going to rub at extreme motions of the suspension". If 6" is already at an extreme I'd try to atleast hit that not over. But this may not be the case it might be Topline saying "hey this works but we don't want to be responsible if somthing happens, though 6.5" is still okay".
Remember too that 6mm is the wheel into the springs not including tire bludge. The tires tend to buldge a little about 1/4 inch or so this needs to be taken into account to. Because these strut dicate your requirements I'd get as much info on them as possible, how much is exactly too much. Once we have this the rest is just full-filling those requirements. But did you understand my calcs? Yea okay, so I looked at Lanners site. Those measurements he gives you are track increase pre side. So .6"mm wider on each side. You want the ones that will increase the track the most, it seems like the bolt on brackets and the billet hubs will do that, but this by my calcs may not be enough, that extra 6mm remember? So may be talk to him and see if he can increase the hubs to provide more of an increase or, just get the stock hubs modified and use a spacer. This way you have the increase of the stock kit which is 2mm, then save some cash and spend it on some spacers. Choice is really yours, the real problem with all of this is that it works okay on paper may not be what actually fits. But all of these questions being ask are along the right track. I spent a lot of time working out the details to make my setup, and though it may not be perfect I know it will be better than those who didn't. But to do this right you need to know what your dealing with, you need the requirements. There is one option here that no one has said yet, may be try and get smaller rims. I know the apeal of larger rims, but with the 8.5 on a super it's sort of new territory. I don't own a super, and frankly math is easy, but me not having experience with a super you'd probably be better off talking to someone who has done this successfully. Oh yea and the over analyzing thing well yea...when I started doing this I got some weird advice and some completely wrong information. One guy argured with me that a larger offset with spacers is the way to go, after I explained to him why its good, he realized that my point, that a wheel with less offset is just as good and eliminates the need for a spacer. The main problem with this stuff is that we can't go to far in, so if you want wider wheels, well, you gotta move the wheel out. In particular the stds can handle things differently as now you can use large spacers and then narrow the beam to make up for the inceased track, but supers are a different beast. Just remember sometimes just fitting isn't enough, you may want to turn to. easy Rip
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Talked to the guys at Topline. They said that 50-55mm backspacing (5 1/2 to 6in) is on a 7in wheel under a stock fender. I'm confused...52mm offset regardless of the total size of the wheel is still 52mm from the rear...so I should be ok right? He said he's never seen anybody with anything wider than 7in in the front
Eitherway, he said I will need to stay under 6 inches of back spacing as that puts the bulge of the tire right up near the spring. So, yeah, 6 inches is the absolute most you can go with... So atleast that gives us a DEFINITE in all of this. So, what's the backspacing in inches on a 8.5 wheel with 52mm offset(should still be like 6 inches...but I figured I'de ask, lol)? Once we get that figured, I'll know exactly what I'll need. I've been scouring eBay for spacers. $150-200 for a pair on average for the 15mm needed for the rear which are another definite expense. If I get the billet hubs this eliminates a TON OF work and money. Reason? I haven't bought the front Porsche hubs yet, so that saves me money. I don't have to buy spacersfor the front if Lanner can machine the hubs to spec so I have slightly less than 6in of back spacing. Also, I won't have to ship my spare spindles to him, saving me more money.... I'm starting to breathe a little easier, :righton: Last edited by oicdn; July 7th 2005 at 15:26. |
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Also, I went to that wheel calculator thing stickied in the top[ of this forum. I have no Idea the offset/size of Empi 8spokes, so I guessed:
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That also doesn't account for the increase that the 944T brakes give.... Maybe I'm wrong, but I dunno how a 52mm offset is different on 7 inch wheel than it is on a 8.5 inch wheel...it's still 52mm offset from the inside lip... So...I wouldn't need a spacer...just wider fenders.......right? Last edited by oicdn; July 7th 2005 at 15:40. |
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