GermanLook Forums  

Go Back   GermanLook Forums > General > Project Builds

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #91  
Old May 20th 2011, 15:24
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Hi Clive,

I did not calculate things, its just try and error and some eye-ball engineering.

Keep us posted on your experiance with the MC"s

Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old May 20th 2011, 17:50
aartjan's Avatar
aartjan aartjan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by evilC View Post
Why do you have both? You ought to only need one particularly for a road car? The balance bar set up will give a huge variation in bias on its own.

Clive
Don't they complement one another? With the balance bar you set-up the 'static' distribution and by using the proportioning valve you set-up the 'dynamic' distribution for a different characteristic at higher pressure / deceleration levels. Thus, better enabling you to approach the 'ideal' at given conditions?!

When searching for a reference picture, I found some clear text about it: http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...g_valves.shtml
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old May 21st 2011, 14:56
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Quote:
Originally Posted by aartjan View Post
Don't they complement one another? With the balance bar you set-up the 'static' distribution and by using the proportioning valve you set-up the 'dynamic' distribution for a different characteristic at higher pressure / deceleration levels. Thus, better enabling you to approach the 'ideal' at given conditions?!

When searching for a reference picture, I found some clear text about it: http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...g_valves.shtml
Thanks Aart-Jan, thats good reading.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old May 21st 2011, 14:58
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Today I started on making the anti rollbar brackets, This anti rollbar started it's live on a pink "killer Kitty" opel.




Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!

Last edited by fahrvergnugen; May 21st 2011 at 15:04.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old May 21st 2011, 16:07
spannermanager spannermanager is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: London and kent.
Posts: 185
Guys, its not wise to mess with expensive changes in cylinder sizes from just pedal 'feel' alone without running the pads in on the fly for a good bit, it can make a huge improvement to the pedal height and save you chasing your tail, frame type sliding calipers need a lot of running in, personally, a mechanical balance bar is far preferable to hydro valves which also affect pedal feel, i don't like these and avoid them like the plaque, as Clive says, you shouldn't need both.
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old May 25th 2011, 15:03
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
First fitment test of the anti-rollbar, I think it needs a little modifications.



Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old May 25th 2011, 16:38
Wally's Avatar
Wally Wally is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 2,528
Looking good again! Sway bars can be thicker then you think, so these may just be 'right'
Maybe turn-around that tack welded bracket 180 degrees so you have more free room for the bar to move?
__________________
'75 Super.
...because race car!
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old May 26th 2011, 08:17
evilC's Avatar
evilC evilC is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: UK Where Leics is more
Posts: 644
Quote:
Originally Posted by aartjan View Post
Don't they complement one another? With the balance bar you set-up the 'static' distribution and by using the proportioning valve you set-up the 'dynamic' distribution for a different characteristic at higher pressure / deceleration levels. Thus, better enabling you to approach the 'ideal' at given conditions?!

When searching for a reference picture, I found some clear text about it: http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...g_valves.shtml
I don't deny that the two could complimenty each other but I doubt whether many on here have the ability to be able to fine tune the braking characteristics to optimise retardation, hence my reference to road car where the load changes would merit constant fiddling and tinkering in a desparate effort to get the best retardation. I'm a strong advocate of the KISS principle and adding in too many variables and adjustments that are beyond the simple running of a vehicle detracts severly from enjoyment.
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old May 26th 2011, 11:00
70Turbobug 70Turbobug is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 545
Quote:
Originally Posted by fahrvergnugen View Post
Thanx, I have a bias balancebar that can be adjusted with this cable and I have a 7 stage reduce valve on the back brakes. The correct setting must be there somewhere
If you plan on going to the track regularly,then I´m sure you´ll find the right setting for just about any condition.I have 911 carerra 4-pot monoblocks up front and the 911 discs. In the back I have the standard 944 floating calipers and discs (temporarily).The proportioning valve alone should be enough for my intentions,at least for starters.I also have a 944 master cylinder,but may change it for a better more modern master cylinder.
Reply With Quote
  #100  
Old May 26th 2011, 14:29
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wally View Post
Looking good again! Sway bars can be thicker then you think, so these may just be 'right'
Maybe turn-around that tack welded bracket 180 degrees so you have more free room for the bar to move?
Thanks Wally,

I am thinking of turning it 90 degrees, this way the uniball kan move freely. I moved the a-arm up and down and the sway bar does not hit a thing.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #101  
Old May 26th 2011, 14:31
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Quote:
Originally Posted by 70Turbobug View Post
If you plan on going to the track regularly,then I´m sure you´ll find the right setting for just about any condition.I have 911 carerra 4-pot monoblocks up front and the 911 discs. In the back I have the standard 944 floating calipers and discs (temporarily).The proportioning valve alone should be enough for my intentions,at least for starters.I also have a 944 master cylinder,but may change it for a better more modern master cylinder.
It's gonna be used on road, track and 1/4 mile. if I am not sure about the settings I still have the option to set the valve wide open.

Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Old May 28th 2011, 15:50
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Did some sway-bar work today
Welded the new sway-bar brackets to the upper front axle tube, narrowed the tube to the chassis head width and closed the end of the tube, this way I have some strenght in the brackets and still have the original body mounts.



Test with 90deg. turned uniball.


The 90deg. turned uniball works great, so I made a new bracket (needs some more welding).



Put the grommet in and did a new test. The movement I can make without hitting anything is much bigger as the movement the shockabsorber can make.



Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old May 29th 2011, 13:25
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Bought myself a nice donor body, this '58 Will speed things up 8)


Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old June 3rd 2011, 16:05
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Right side of the sway bar is now ready too.



To make sure all the fittings of the fuel line are ok, I checked them with some air pressure.


On original oval has special floormat fasteners, so I welded these back on the floor.



Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old June 5th 2011, 14:32
fahrvergnugen fahrvergnugen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 282
Picked up the '58 donor for the oval today.



Looking good.





And a bus full of rust free '58 goodies


It's almost a shame to cut this to pieces, but it will happen. :twisted:

Paul.
__________________
If some is good and more is better, then too much should be just about right!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:57.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© www.GermanLook.net 2002-2017. All Rights Reserved