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Old February 14th 2004, 21:46
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944 N/A brakes to 1303 questions (yet another)

Ok so i have been searching the forums and kinda have an idea of whats need to bolt on early 944 brakes front and rear.

- So i need the calipers, rotors, backing plates, and spindles for the front, and then just the calipers, rotors for the rear?

- the kersher ball joints (19mm?) for the front

- addaption of the hand brakes (from kersher or home brewed) on the rear

Is this ALL thats needed?
How about the M/C? will the stock 74 super unit be good? or will i need to use a 944 M/C?

and they have rebuild kits for these brakes right?
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Old February 14th 2004, 23:35
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I got my caliper rebuild kits from www.autohausaz.com for $45 for all four calipers.

I would use a bigger master cylinder since the caliper fluid volume is much greater than your stock brakes.

I'm going to use a 911 master cylinder.
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Old February 15th 2004, 02:34
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- the kersher ball joints (19mm?) for the front
The Kersche ball joints are 17mm. The VW ball joints are 15mm and Porsche didn't make 944 ball joints to 19mm until the late 952 car.
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Old February 15th 2004, 02:37
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The Kersche ball joints are 17mm. The VW ball joints are 15mm and Porsche didn't make 944 ball joints to 19mm until the late 952 car.

My bad... so is everything i listed correct other than the size of the kerscher ball joints?

And would a 944 M/C work well? (is it is from those brakes) would it "bolt on" or will i need to mount it differently?
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Old February 15th 2004, 18:28
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The Kerscher ball joints are a must have for this conversion. I'd suggest the 944 M/C for the NA brakes. There have already been plenty of posts that describe how to install it.

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Old February 18th 2004, 02:30
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944 M/C with a servo (brake booster)? or without a servo? i was talking to some one about this and he said to use it with a servo, and use the vacume from the intake manifolds to run the servo. he was saying you would get a HARD pedal without the servo... are you guys using servos?

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Old February 18th 2004, 07:52
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I bought a 1987 911 sc master cylinder with servo for my car. I wanted power brakes. I had a real hard time finding room for the servo when the master cylinder alone just bolts on. I had to cut and reweld the pitman arm to clear the m/c. It wasn't worth it for me. The 944 servo might be smaller in diameter so you might have better luck.
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Old February 18th 2004, 19:46
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i'm running a 944 m/c with 951 brakes. haven't driven it yet, but will let you know in a few weeks. no servo. mine is not a daily driver so less concern about a hard pedal.
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944 M/C with a servo (brake booster)? or without a servo? i was talking to some one about this and he said to use it with a servo, and use the vacume from the intake manifolds to run the servo. he was saying you would get a HARD pedal without the servo... are you guys using servos?

If you want my servo I'll sell it to you otherwise it goes up for sale on ebay.
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Old February 18th 2004, 22:52
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If you want my servo I'll sell it to you otherwise it goes up for sale on ebay.

How soon are you eBaying it? i might be interested, but i wont know for sure till i do the brakes... and thats after i do the engine (im doing the engine now)

ZEN, can you tell if its hard without driving it? or is the system not fully functional yet?

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Old February 19th 2004, 19:49
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How soon are you eBaying it? i might be interested, but i wont know for sure till i do the brakes... and thats after i do the engine (im doing the engine now)
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I'll hold on to it, I'm in no hurry to sell it.
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ZEN, can you tell if its hard without driving it? or is the system not fully functional yet?

Thanks!
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i only have one caliper on at the moment. hope to have the rest on in the next week or so. will let you know.
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Old February 20th 2004, 02:28
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cool, cool!
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I put 944 calipers on the front of <---that car. I used the stock M/C with NO problem whatsoever.

I don't think power brakes are nessecary. The car could weigh anywhere from 1700 to 2200 lbs. With Brake calipers and rotors designed to haul down a 2700 lb car, pedal effort would still be on par with, or less than a 944 equiped with power brakes. Non assisted brakes have a better feel IMO.

SuperVW,
If you are using 944 rear brakes, will you be using 944 trailing arms?



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Old February 21st 2004, 14:16
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I put 944 calipers on the front of <---that car. I used the stock M/C with NO problem whatsoever.

I don't think power brakes are nessecary. The car could weigh anywhere from 1700 to 2200 lbs. With Brake calipers and rotors designed to haul down a 2700 lb car, pedal effort would still be on par with, or less than a 944 equiped with power brakes. Non assisted brakes have a better feel IMO.

SuperVW,
If you are using 944 rear brakes, will you be using 944 trailing arms?



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I dont plain on using the arms, just the brakes.

So what are you using for the rear, as it sounds like your only using the fronts from a 944?

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