Imohr from Brazil

[effvee]

Originally Posted by owdlvr

Thank you for posting these!

And after going through your photos, I now understand what some of my friends who had seen them in person were talking about:







Here's the thing, those welds aren't necessarily "bad", but I would be tempted to sandblast the parts to confirm them. I talked it over with a fabricating buddy of mine when I was considering ordering the full front/rear setup (before I bought the red car) and we agreed that we can't reverse engineer the setup for less than they are charging. Even if we have to re-make a couple of their parts, we are far better off both economically and time wise.

-Dave

Wow, suspension is one thing, but steering is another. If you question the quality of workmanship, are you going to put your health and wellbeing on the line? Is there a reason why you don't reach out to the builder with your concerns, maybe ask for the questionable part be replaced. You may need pay for shipping, better than a hospital stay

[owdlvr]

Originally Posted by effvee

Wow, suspension is one thing, but steering is another. If you question the quality of workmanship, are you going to put your health and wellbeing on the line? Is there a reason why you don't reach out to the builder with your concerns, maybe ask for the questionable part be replaced. You may need pay for shipping, better than a hospital stay

Well, it's not my kit, but my comments on someone else's kit. I would still be fine purchasing the kit, knowing I may need to make some corrections. For myself, I have more confidence that we (being my motorsport fabrication friends and I) can correct/repair any issues faster and with more confidence then I would have with "sending it back" for fixes.

When you do the math on the time and effort to develop something like this, it's often much faster to improve upon a design already made.

[wouter1303]

Originally Posted by owdlvr

Thank you for posting these!

And after going through your photos, I now understand what some of my friends who had seen them in person were talking about:

.....

Here's the thing, those welds aren't necessarily "bad", but I would be tempted to sandblast the parts to confirm them. I talked it over with a fabricating buddy of mine when I was considering ordering the full front/rear setup (before I bought the red car) and we agreed that we can't reverse engineer the setup for less than they are charging. Even if we have to re-make a couple of their parts, we are far better off both economically and time wise.

-Dave

Those welds look kinda 'big', doesn't mean they're bad indeed. But I have seen different...
And since suspension is something you have to trust....
This will keep me thinking what to buy in the furure.
I once saw someone make these in aluminium, but i can't find it.

[effvee]

Originally Posted by owdlvr

Well, it's not my kit, but my comments on someone else's kit. I would still be fine purchasing the kit, knowing I may need to make some corrections. For myself, I have more confidence that we (being my motorsport fabrication friends and I) can correct/repair any issues faster and with more confidence then I would have with "sending it back" for fixes.

When you do the math on the time and effort to develop something like this, it's often much faster to improve upon a design already made.

Understood, however if something goes wrong, the buyer assumes the responsibility..

[owdlvr]

Originally Posted by effvee

Understood, however if something goes wrong, the buyer assumes the responsibility..

You're buying a major suspension/steering component from Brazil...that completely alters the vehicle from stock. You are absolutely taking on all the responsibility, whether you alter it or not.

[jmd]

I totally agree and was willing to take the risk - I wont run it if I'm not absolutely confident in the parts. I've chatted with the Imohr crew and they back their work 100% - I'm having them inspected by a structural welder and engineer for safety. Further, if they are found wanting, I will just have them 'rewelded". The remainder of the parts and the quality overall is well worth it.

Appreciate the community looking out for each other!
Remember guys, safety 3rd!
heh.

[jmd]

Couple updates - agree again with the review of the welds - will have them all sandblasted during my powder coating process and will have them engineer-reviewed to ensure quality. I've also spoken with the team at iMohr and they are more than willing to remake parts that I'm not satisfied with to ensure a good experience. I've now gone through mock-up on the chassis and have learned of some differences between the Brazilian and US pans that will require some edits/modifications to both my chassis and the suspension itself. Was anticipated so I'm not "shocked" by the differences. The 2 key differences that require mods are that the front beam standoffs have a steeper angle on the Brazilian cars and so I'll need to adjust an aspect of the front plates for the front suspension (I've provided iMohr and they're updating the design to accommodate US customers based on this feedback and you can see the bit thats cut and tilted between the framehead bolts - I'll just cut the welds and bend them back to flat). And the rear - torsion bar mount they designed for uses a cross brace that's not found on the US cars and so a Bracket will be required to be welded to the rear tornsion bar to support the rear arm mounts.

Here are some shots - ignore the filthy garage, I just wanted to play with my new parts, not do chores.

Front Suspension


Rear Suspension


This is the bottom of the brazilian Pan that shows where the rear suspension is supposed to connect to

[DORIGTT]

Looks great!

[owdlvr]

These photos are NOT helping my budget "keep it stockish" plans for the '75 beetle :P

[jmd]

telling you man, you can balance both sides of the line by buying my old suspension kit! Make an offer!

#sorrynotsorry!

[owdlvr]

#wellplayed

[wouter1303]

Originally Posted by jmd

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This is the bottom of the brazilian Pan that shows where the rear suspension is supposed to connect to

Any updates?

[Hoghead]

My Imohr "Top" front suspension that used fabricated, dropped spindles, just arrived this week. The welds while not bad looking are not beautiful stacked dimes.

I did not ask about a front sway bar, and at this point do not even know if one is needed.
JMD - is that a sway bar mount on the front of your forward plate and bushing in the top a-arm?

The 350lb front springs seem a bit stiff, even with the 3 lower mounts to vary the lever ratio??
Already changed to QA1 shocks and now thinking about spring rates and asked in a post about corner weights
https://www.germanlook.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=11998

I now need to make some front hubs as foolishly did not order from Imohr with the IFS. Wheels and brakes are 996
Anyone have a hub drawing?

[LLVWGL]

Originally Posted by wouter1303

Any updates?

Neat stuff... from a geometry standpoint what is the primary benefit... I think a trailing arm moves in an Arc lengthwise and relative to camber... is there a point at which the camber change is too aggressive/small that this remedies?