Cylinders

[effvee]

Hi everyone, I am trying to get my machinst to make me a set of Aluminum Cylinders. I am trying to find a very good Aluminum to have the cylinder made from. 2618, 4032, I believe have to much Silicone in the formula. I am told that Nikisil will not adhere to a high silicone base Aluminum.

[eugene]

I once had the same idea and tried to find the suitable alloy. I can have them plated locally. Then i bought some Mahles cheap from ebay. I remember this thread at stf:
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewto...04085&start=15

regards
iv

[effvee]

Well, it seems as though my choices of aluminum's are greatly restricted by large quantities of purchase. 4032 would have been the perfect aluminum, but upon research I can only find 4032 in diameters of up to 2 1/2 inches. And the aluminum's such as 2018, 2016 of which they use to make Pistons are not playable with Nick assail. Even the true to its 6061 is going to be costly. But at the end of the day, I am forced to choose 6061 T6 extruded. Wish me luck

[Wally]

Originally Posted by effvee

And the aluminum's such as 2618 of which they make Pistons are not playable with Nikasil.

Says who?

[effvee]

Hi Walter, I may be wrong, it 2018 and I believe 2031.

[Wally]

AFAIK, they can even nikasil iron liners...

[effvee]

Originally Posted by Wally

AFAIK, they can even nikasil iron liners...

Hi Walter, the people at US chrome stated anything about 13% silicon in the aluminum formula would be a problem in the plating process using the Nikisil. Not only that, I have been coming across companies that can only sell in length and weight. I really wanted to 4032, but I could not find any place that was selling the 4032 in size greater than 2.5 inches in diameter. Yeah I tried to cut corners by asking the Internet community. I also called the machine shop called Costa Mesa R&D the machinist name is John Edwards. Well if they don't fuse together, or lose their shape and aluminum does as it should and dissipate the heat I think I will be okay. So the one thing left is, some 356 lifters from Porsche and ratio rockers from Pauter and I'm done with this engine.

[Wally]

JE states that 4032 has indeed high silicon content, but 2618 hardly has any silicium as JE says. Thats the alu you started the thread with. Why not use that?

[B-rock]

Here's a good article on the subject:

http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Arti..._coatings.aspx

The article states that the coating will not work on any 2000 series aluminum alloy.

[effvee]

Originally Posted by B-rock

Here's a good article on the subject:

http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Arti..._coatings.aspx

The article states that the coating will not work on any 2000 series aluminum alloy.

Thank you for the article, I did contact millennium technologies and US chrome. However neither of the businesses were recommending aluminums other than the 6061 because of its ability to adhere with the Nikisil coating. Although millennium technologies did state 4032 would be a very good aluminum for me to choose to have cylinders made from. 4032 is very hard to come by, especially in a 6 inch diameter size. I believe there's only one other person making aluminum cylinders having Nikisil coating, and that is Charles Navarro of LN. The Ottinger cylinders having been Nikisil coated were great, but pricey. So no doubt Charles is not going to say what type of aluminum alloys he has chosen. And I just don't want to spend $2300 for four cylinders and a total of $3200 in total for piston and cylinders, let's face it I am cheap I believe I need a lot more for that amount of money. So US chrome and millennium technologies can chrome the cylinders. But not any of the 700 series in 2000 series aluminum. I believe that both companies feel that to make a recommendation of aluminums to use, it may could become a liability issue; although they both said 6061 was quite treatable. So I guess that's enough from this thread, thank you everyone.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by effvee

And I just don't want to spend $2300 for four cylinders ...

After all machining and plating is done, I am pretty sure you will have spend about that amount...

[owdlvr]

...or more.

Rarely is one-off stuff cheaper.

[70Turbobug]

Originally Posted by Wally

After all machining and plating is done, I am pretty sure you will have spend about that amount...

Exactly.Not only that,but you still have a product that you don not know how well it will perform.I would actually rather try the AA nikasil cylinders before spending a lot of money on having cylinders made.Yes,the LN cylinders are expensive,but they are a proven product.Another option worth looking into would be alusil cylinders from Mahle that are made for the 3.6 Porsche from the 993 model (the last aircooled model) and modify them to fit a type 4 case.However,after machining the price is probably the same or even higher than the LN cylinders.The only cheaper way around the LN cylinders are the AA cylinders.I´m not saying they are better or even equal to the LN cylinders.However the Chinese have been the world´s leader in aluminum nikasil products for over 20 years.Most OEM car and motorcycle engine blocks and heads that are alu-nikasil come from China including VW.It´s not all bad from China.It´s just finding the right company just like anywhere else.There are crappy companies in Germany and USA also.

[B-rock]

Originally Posted by 70Turbobug

Exactly.Not only that,but you still have a product that you don not know how well it will perform.I would actually rather try the AA nikasil cylinders before spending a lot of money on having cylinders made.Yes,the LN cylinders are expensive,but they are a proven product.Another option worth looking into would be alusil cylinders from Mahle that are made for the 3.6 Porsche from the 993 model (the last aircooled model) and modify them to fit a type 4 case.However,after machining the price is probably the same or even higher than the LN cylinders.The only cheaper way around the LN cylinders are the AA cylinders.I´m not saying they are better or even equal to the LN cylinders.However the Chinese have been the world´s leader in aluminum nikasil products for over 20 years.Most OEM car and motorcycle engine blocks and heads that are alu-nikasil come from China including VW.It´s not all bad from China.It´s just finding the right company just like anywhere else.There are crappy companies in Germany and USA also.

That is an interesting suggestion. Do you know what diameter the 993 cylinders are?

[70Turbobug]

The 3.6 Liter has a 102mm bore.