wasserboxer?
 

is any one using a a vw wasser boxer engine in there bugs?

What - like this? 2.1 Wasserboxer with Weber-Alpha throttle bodies & Emerald ECU... :D

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/.../57___rear.JPG

Moog how does it drive, is it fast, and do you get good gas milage.

Looking good Moog!

Is it runnig yet? do you have some more pics, inc cooling setup?

Cheers, Rich

Very nice.
I like it waaaaay better than any subaru or alfa engine :p

Walter

Don't know how well it drives on the road yet - it's still not quite finished & road legal. But it already wants to go! Shouldn't be that far off finished - i spent yesterday putting in what i hope are the last wires (shift light, fan operation light) and making up the handbrake cables for the rear discs.

Radiator is in wheel arch behind wheel - first pic is before shielding was in place, second pic is with shielding, which scoops air up as well to ensure it gets good air.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...__radiator.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/..._shielding.JPG

Radiator is a one-off in Ally by Pace products to my design, and is a work of art! I didn't put it up front as I had already done the front end by the time i decided to go WBX route. The fan is controlled by the ECU as well.

Will post up more pics later if y'all want?

Moog

Some more pics for y'all...
 

Some more pics for you...

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...nderbonnet.JPG

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...7___brakes.JPG

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...6___engine.JPG

It's taken far too long to get to this stage - i wanted it finshed for my Wedding - it was my fifth wedding anniversary 2 weeks ago... :eek:

Moog

Hi

Moog thats nice looking conversion.

I did one in 1988, started off with 46 IDAs then I went EFI with a turbo. Now Ive sold all that and Im going 2.0 STI.

Steve

With IDAs

http://www.clubvw.org.au/images/scmotor2.jpg

With turbo

http://www.clubvw.org.au/images/sc_motor.jpg

Steve c you had a really nice car. Now that you have modified your chassis to accept the g50 gearbox i think you also weakened the chassis. If i was to go water cooled it would be a wasser engine.

It's a long way from finished and I will be surprised if it isn't a lot stiffer when Steve's finished!

Great pics Moog, very nice quality work but I'd still cut up the front for a rad :D Do you plan to stay swing axle?

Rich

Hi

The 1302 I used to own had a very hard life, mainly from me and it started to crack the body.

I still have to do more chassis stiffening to do on the 1303. I’m sure it will stronger than before when its finished. When I get a little further along I will start up a topic for the conversion I’m doing.

Wasserboxers are great motors, I had very little trouble with mine, only the odd water pump or coolant hose letting go. But a WRX Subaru is a 21st century Wasserboxer with lots of aftermarket goodies available.

Steve

Thanks for the comments Rich (& everyone else!) For the moment i'm working on the idea that i can do a mirror image rad in the other rear arch if necessary. It's only going to be 120-130bhp anyway, so not massive amounts of power. Pace products used a 4-core for the rad and reckon it will work in a marginal air-flow loaction - i take their judgment on that as i'm not a radiator designer (Just an engine designer trained by Ricardo - i think Rich will have heard of them ;) ) Didn't your first Speedster Alfa engine run cool with just two mini radiators tucked up in the back?

I have kept it swing-axle on the Basis that it is a GT beetle - for those who don't know (those outside of UK?) the GT beetle was a limited edition spec, and the only time they used the 1600 engine & unique ratios in a swing-axle / 1300 shell in the UK. Only 2500 made, & only 10% this colour, so part of my plan was to keep many of the original GT features, and that includes sticking to the high-ratio swing-axle box. Basically, i'm trying to create a 21st Century GT Beetle.

SteveC - Loved your car - would like to have seen it for real! It was part of the inspiration for this engine conversion. :D

Cheers

Moog

Fair enough, if you are only sticking to a low power I think you'll be fine, especially with your scoop. My speedster ran fine with the Alfa engine and twin mini rads and no ducting, so I think you should be OK. Must have been a very expensive rad, when I first saw it I thought you had got a deal on a single seater side mounted one as it looks very familiar!

Rich
PS I live down the road from the Ricardo MTC so feel free to give me a shout if you are up this way!

oooooo, are they hard work to put in, am lookign at all the diffrent options for my 74 as the stock 1300 is giving up a bit :(

Sure, it's easy...
 

Change the 228 flywheel to a 215mm T4 (or 210mm or 200mm T4) and it bolts straight up to the gearbox - easy. The hard part is then working out how you are going to do the cooling system, and what carbs / injection to use - my 40 Weber-Alpha throttle bodies are on Wasserboxer IDF manifolds with the tops cut & rewelded & re-tapped to turn the throttle bodies around and fit the DHLA pattern. Fuel injection requires High pressure fuel pumps as well as a low pressure system, plus returns into the fuel tank. LOTS of wiring for the ECU. Throttle linkage is a much butchered T1 pull-style. Stock starter struggled to turn over the 10.5 compression engine, so that is now new. Etc, etc, etc...

Just work through it methodically and you'll get there. But you do need patience and to think laterally at times.

Expensive part for me was the custom made radiator in ally - £400... :eek:

hmmm may possibly be the route for me to take then

dont surepose you have a paint code for apple green do you? ;)

L64M - A nice & bright colour - that's why it's the Atomic Apple - that and the fact that the engine has mutated...

This is my ride! A 55 wasserboxer bug..

http://danborn.comxnet.dk/grafik/meg..._001_600px.jpg http://danborn.comxnet.dk/grafik/res..._008_600px.jpg

Moog the 228 flywheel with engine can be bolted on a bug gearbox but the bellhouse of the gearbox will have to be opened up a little. If you have a rhino case this will accept the 228mm flywheel very easily.

Very nice colour. I saw it on a bug on the cover of trends a while back, I've been in love with it ever since. That's the colour I have planed for my Ghia. Bright, really bright.

Nice project. I really like the radiator idea. :righton:

But why use a 228???
 

The 228mm flywheel will fit without any work at all, but it was the 228mm clutch which then required lots of grinding to the gearbox. I tried a Rhino case on the bench and this needed lots of work as well.

I believe Danborn used a 228 and says that the gearbox is paper thin in places. SteveC used a 228 originally and said it needs lots of grinding. He eventually settled on a 215.

The 215mm flywheel & clutch fits with no work at all, so this was the most sensible route to me rather than spend time weakening the gearbox. The clutch is strong enough for the power put through it.

Moog

Hi Dan - nice car! :cool: I've seen a few pics of yours ages ago. What fuel system are you using - that looks like some sort of single throttle body injection system?

I assume you use some sort of heater matrix to keep you warm - i used a Polo matrix under the rear seat - what did you use? What about SteveC, or don't you need heating in Oz ? ;)

Cheers

Moog

p.s. anyone think we should make our own WasserBugs stickers...

Hi, well the engine is a 2.1 DJ with a W120 cam and ported heads... The injection is Megasquirt, with Audi A4T (Bosch 150 280 447 injectors 241cc) VW fuel pump, modified AUDI A4T fuel rail with 3 bar fuel reg. and finally custom plenum.... I love heat so I also use the Polo heater I just mounted it up front where the rad. from an Alfa 33 it is sitting in place of the spare wheel,

The gearbox is from a Thing or vw 181, with LSD… Breaks is disc all around with Porsche 4 pots in front and Golf GTI callipers in the back… I have some more pics here: Shoptalk




http://danborn.comxnet.dk/grafik/wasser_2_600px.jpg
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Jesper

Hi

We need heat sometimes down here. I used a Toyota Troop Carrier rear seat heater under my back seat, it blew into the stock heater channels, a good way to keep the heater channels dry. I also used the cable for the rear seat heater flap to operate my heater tap.

Steve