944 Everything? + History

[Mysticle31]

That thing is one overgrown vanagon!!

So I take it a kick butt street/track setup is:

944 rear arms, spring plates? rear torson bars, brakes on all 4 corners (911 rotors are used as upgrades for 944 people? are 4 piston calipers worth it?), wheels (I think 944 guys like "phone dial" wheels. What are those fuchs? Sence I'm puting on all these heavy suspension parts I'd like to find the lightest streetable wheels I can muster), Max struts front (What about Ground control? Or is max prety firm? I think they said the struts were only 10%. I saw Super Ninjas SB and I don't thing those were 10% unless I'm just REALLY off base on my spring rate vs front end weight (I don't doubt it))

What about Swaybars and the Superbeetles weight dist? Those consern me..

Considering I have 3 inch wider fenders to fill. What's considered the widest tire I can put on a SB of similer specs to the above without hurting the ability to keep the tire on the ground and upseting sprung to unsprung weight much?

Originally Posted by Mysticle31

What about the Superbeetles weight dist? Those consern me..

I would need a 6 year engineering degree and about a half million dollars worth of equipment to be able to answer that question.

[Mysticle31]

How did I get a + History added to the title of this thread? What is a good suspension set up for this car?

It seems the featured cars mostly like 915 trannys, 944 brakes and suspension (mabey 911 rotors, are they worth it? Mabey 4 piston or big brembo calipers)

What is the widest wheel I can put on before I hurt performace?

[TitoRay]

Topline Maxx Struts or similar to allow wider/deeper offset wheels. Strut tower brace, rear Kafer Cup brace, appropriately sized front and rear sway bars. 4 wheel disc brakes. Porche brakes are nice but some say overkill. Set a limit of an 8 inch wide tire in the front and a 10 in the back. That should suit you fine. Anything larger is probably unneccesary anyway.


You really, really should drive a superbeetle(stock if possible) so you know what you are getting into. It does not take much to make one perform just rediculous. I've gone from stock to lowered with Maxx Struts, 17 inch wheels, strut tower brace, swaybars, etc.
The difference in handling and overall performance is HUGE.

[Mysticle31]

Well, I have 3 inch wider fenders front and rear. Gotta fill those up. Easy for the rear (944 arms brings out the track) I'd imagine.

Fronts may be another story.

What is conidered good bars? I'd have to run $$ trail and error.

Lowering a macpherson strut car is bad! As you drop the ride height your roll center falls faster then the CG And even with fimer (and the max are only 10%) you are actually increacing your tendency to lean! That is cured with race style springs with no lean to begin with, but who runs those on a street car?

[Supa Ninja]

It maybe "bad" to lower a mcpherson struted car, and I may only get a 10% increase in springrate with Maxx struts, BUT I have no body roll (if I do I've never felt it). That 10% equals a lot on a car that only weights around 2000 lbs and most of the weight is in the back, any stiffer and your front wheels will bounce on every little bump on the road (very bad when in the corners). Take a small chance and go with a setup that someone on here recommends that works them and see if you like it then from there you can start to try different things. It doesn't take a lot to get a super to handle. As far sway bars go I have 7/8" in front and 3/4" in rear and that seems to be the magic number. Strut brace is a must too.
I can't put into words how my 1302 feels in the corners, it almost feels like a frontwheel drive car pulling me through the corners. I know ff cars suck in the corners but thats how it feels.
Also when you get the moulhouland super be prepared to replace just about ever part of the front suspension cause after 32 years the parts will be wore out. I like to use German parts whenever possible, much higher quality.

Nick

[Mysticle31]

So what's the difference between max sturts and kersher sturts (I read they are both the best you can buy?)

What works well with 944 rear arms? How do I install 944 stuff on my SB? Whole rear end? just replace arms and torson bars? Spring plates?

Are there other parts I should get while I'm at it that are 'better'? (like 968 arms, and a 944 torson bar, 993 spring plates?)

Originally Posted by Mysticle31

How did I get a + History added to the title of this thread?

I added it

[Mysticle31]

Why, what does the +history mean?

(I know I'm slow at swallowing things. I like to do every angle and have an annoying habit to rephrase a question later to see if I get a different responce )