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Old October 20th 2005, 16:54
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the reason that synthetic oil feels slicker is that its more refined and there are many additives into it in order to provide the viscocity properties.
Something that i havent confirmed yet but its been in my mind on the matter, is that a magnesium case (T1) is not of the high tolerance like an aluminum one like the T4. Thus, its molecular stucture is not so thick as in aluminum (plain words its like having more pores not only on the surface, but on the structure as well). This along with the more refined structure (thinner) of the synthetic oils can cause leaks. Im not the expert on the matter, but i have done a bit of reading.
Currently im using Pennzoil 10-40 on my T1 and i can say that i dont have any oil burned up (no blue smoke or anything) and the oil my engine is loosing in my opinion is due to poor machining/worn out case/exploded rubbers on the stock oil cooler/ and blown head gaskets every once in a while (cos im not running breathers on the engine...)
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Old October 21st 2005, 02:30
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Jake has done testing of a few synth. oils. I asked him about it while I was building my engine up there. He said he recomended 3 oils, all 20w50's. They were Royal Purple, Redline, Valvoline full synth. The Red Line and Valvoline were very close in the testing and Royal Purple was just ahead of those 2. The test monitored head temp vs oil temp in the same engine under the same loads. The oil needs to be able to take on heat and then give it up in the cooler. Some syth. oil don't pick up heat (washing it from heads, etc) and others don't give up heat in the cooler. He runs Royal Purple in the 912E and Valvoline Full Synth. in the Bus. I run Valvoline Full Synth 20w50 in mine.
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Old October 25th 2005, 01:53
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Jake has done testing of a few synth. oils. I asked him about it while I was building my engine up there. He said he recomended 3 oils, all 20w50's. They were Royal Purple, Redline, Valvoline full synth. The Red Line and Valvoline were very close in the testing and Royal Purple was just ahead of those 2. The test monitored head temp vs oil temp in the same engine under the same loads. The oil needs to be able to take on heat and then give it up in the cooler. Some syth. oil don't pick up heat (washing it from heads, etc) and others don't give up heat in the cooler. He runs Royal Purple in the 912E and Valvoline Full Synth. in the Bus. I run Valvoline Full Synth 20w50 in mine.
Hi there, this Valvoline full synthetic oil you use is it in a type 1 or? Magnesium or Aloy case? Modified engine? Thanks Brent.
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Old October 25th 2005, 07:44
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Hi, my engine is a mild 1776cc T1.
Stock 1600 dual port case
Stock (69mm)crank-rods balanced for 10k rpm
Engle FK110 (284 degrees if correct)
Mahle Pistons/Cyls (90.5mm)
044 heads
Autocraft style Bugpack bolt on rocker shafts
40mm dual Webers
NO taping/drilling>>no full flow
NO Breathers
Stock element oil filter
Stock doghouse oil cooler
Petronix Ignitor +Coil
electric fuel pump+ 3 fuel filters
Custom exhaust made from kadron 4-1 header, a Group N muffler and some bends.

Gearbox is the original 1303 1300cc one. I ve toped 160 km/h @6.2k rpm
Usually i drive the car hard on the streets, drifting in roundabouts and trying to beat the ricers when possible
I change the oil 2-3 times per year. Consider that the car is driven only when im back home, like 5 months/year
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Old October 25th 2005, 08:09
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Mine is a type 1 2275, 94 bore x 82 stroke, full flowed, 30mm pump, 1.5 quart deep sump, external filter and cooler, AS41 case, CB SE heads, 9.7 to 1 comp. ratio, external breather box, 45 Dellorto DRLA's, Web Cam 122/125, Mallory Unilite, DTM type 1 shroud.
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Old October 27th 2005, 01:56
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Mine is a type 1 2275, 94 bore x 82 stroke, full flowed, 30mm pump, 1.5 quart deep sump, external filter and cooler, AS41 case, CB SE heads, 9.7 to 1 comp. ratio, external breather box, 45 Dellorto DRLA's, Web Cam 122/125, Mallory Unilite, DTM type 1 shroud.
Thanks for this info, sounds like it would scream!
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Old October 27th 2005, 07:17
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Old October 27th 2005, 01:54
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Hi, my engine is a mild 1776cc T1.
Stock 1600 dual port case
Stock (69mm)crank-rods balanced for 10k rpm
Engle FK110 (284 degrees if correct)
Mahle Pistons/Cyls (90.5mm)
044 heads
Autocraft style Bugpack bolt on rocker shafts
40mm dual Webers
NO taping/drilling>>no full flow
NO Breathers
Stock element oil filter
Stock doghouse oil cooler
Petronix Ignitor +Coil
electric fuel pump+ 3 fuel filters
Custom exhaust made from kadron 4-1 header, a Group N muffler and some bends.

Gearbox is the original 1303 1300cc one. I ve toped 160 km/h @6.2k rpm
Usually i drive the car hard on the streets, drifting in roundabouts and trying to beat the ricers when possible
I change the oil 2-3 times per year. Consider that the car is driven only when im back home, like 5 months/year
Doesnt it give you great satisfaction to kick the pants off this Jap blown stuff in an air cooled 1936 designed antique! Brent
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Old October 25th 2005, 01:50
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the reason that synthetic oil feels slicker is that its more refined and there are many additives into it in order to provide the viscocity properties.
Something that i havent confirmed yet but its been in my mind on the matter, is that a magnesium case (T1) is not of the high tolerance like an aluminum one like the T4. Thus, its molecular stucture is not so thick as in aluminum (plain words its like having more pores not only on the surface, but on the structure as well). This along with the more refined structure (thinner) of the synthetic oils can cause leaks. Im not the expert on the matter, but i have done a bit of reading.
Currently im using Pennzoil 10-40 on my T1 and i can say that i dont have any oil burned up (no blue smoke or anything) and the oil my engine is loosing in my opinion is due to poor machining/worn out case/exploded rubbers on the stock oil cooler/ and blown head gaskets every once in a while (cos im not running breathers on the engine...)
Right. Can you tell me is your engine a stock item or modified? Just trying to hear about this Pennzoil oil under extreme conditions? Thanks Brent.
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