type 4 starter engine

[oicdn]

Originally Posted by 73notch

the 2270 that jake makes, last i checked makes 150-160? right?
thats with dyno tuning, and some stuff we dont know. id say once you get it running, youll be making 130-140 out of it. i dont think the huge expense is worth that amount of power increase.

EXACTLY MY POINT. Not just picking on Jake...if I were going T4, it would hands down be a motor by him...I just think you can do better with 4 grand than an AC motor. People claim "well it's not a VW anymore..." But when we're going GL, is it really one anymore either? It has Porsche brakes, a Porsche motor, Porsche wheels(contact patch) and suspension that is tuned FAR BEYOND what the car was intended for, super or not, I think GL cars go FAR beyond the term "spirited driving".

If you're gonna spend $4K, why not spend it on something STOCK that produces 200HP (scoobie) and you don't have to worry about valves or any other VW engine quirks. Now, I'm probably not going scooby, but I'm just speaking from an open minded perspective.....

HUGE expense, for hardly any gain...reletively speaking of course...

[oasis]

Four grand? I don't think a 2270 is four grand.

In my case, I'm not looking for max HP. I know 200 is too much for me because a 1.8T doesn't make 200 in stock form and that's plenty in an A4 platform. Given how much lighter a Super is, I think I could come up with a comparative scaling of what HP and torque I might desire given the known natures (to me) of a 2.0, a 1.8T, an a TDI and compensating for the lighter weight.

73notch correctly surmised I want a reliable engine. I don't want one to be capable of 150 MPH and keeping me tied up every weekend tinkering with it.

A water-cooler in stock form is still going to require tinkering because it is unnatural in a bug. There are special needs for cooling and plumbing. The balance of the car will be affected by the extra weight. This will require "tuning" the suspension, or replacing it more often.

I admire the pioneers who embark on this course or similar.

I am not a pioneer.

I want a "normal" pocket rocket -- that is, one that might have been offered by VW today if the Super were still being made.

Do you know how fast my Cabrio goes? Neither do I. I have never taken it to its max in the four years I have owned it. I know it will do more than 100 because I have driven it that fast, and there was more to give. I know it will happily sustain 90 because there has been occasion for me to do that, too.

But that is not my normal driving. I like knowing I can push it if I need to. The only reason I want to get a s/c for it is so I can punch it up more quickly if the situation calls for it. My Cabrio is in no particular hurry to achieve those speeds even though once there, it offers no complaint.

That's what I want out of my Super. Pep to shake loose bothersome slow pokes who adhere to speed limits too closely. Speed to handle any lane on any interstate at any given time. Reliability such that routine maintenance is all that is needed for the entire car, and anything else needed is non-routine.

I like the low-end torque of my TDI, the punch of my 1.8T, and the hasslefree nature of my 2.0.

Price was not mentioned because it is fourth in line. That does not mean price is no object. It simply means I'm okay paying a bit extra to get all three attributes. If getting all three attributes is too prohibitive, I will then lower my standards.

[73notch]

id recommend a mild 1915 type 1 or a mild 2L type 4 then.
the 94mm being unreliable is BS
both would be good motors, i only have hands on with the 1915 though.

[oicdn]

$4K comment was just an amount thrown out there...I think that number came up when he mentioned throwing $4K at a 1600.....I made a post about this on The Samba a while back on this:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119643

I don't think the water box conversion is too much a big deal in terms of suspension tuning/replacement. I mean you're adding what, weight of what another person weighs to the car? That's hardly worth noting if you have the power to compensate for it. Balance isn't too far off as far as what I've read from the shoptalk forums. Cooling hasn't been a HUGE issue, but it didn't seem anything out of the ordinary...

But like stated you said 200HP is far more than what you need, then a GOOD BUILD 1914 or 2L Type 1 is probably the best bet....a buddy of mine has a 1914 that can lift the front wheels of his bug off the ground, and in terms of maint, all he does is change the oil. His 60-100 is INSANE fast, but he said he'd never CRUISE at anything over 80....

I think it's pretty sad how you spend all this money on a bulletproof motor, have all the power there and you have the ability/power to sustain 100MPH, but your motor doesn't have the cooling capacity to sustain over 80mph. Kinda ***-backwards IMO....

[Supa Ninja]

A complete JE20 turbo weigths in at 275, same as a Type IV plus the added weight of radiator, plumbing and water. So weight is definitely not an issue with that engine.

[massIVe 79 vert]

OOps,This is Jake, Beth was logged in on my computer.