GermanLook Forums  

Go Back   GermanLook Forums > Technical Section > Engines

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old September 10th 2006, 21:41
wrenchnride247's Avatar
wrenchnride247 wrenchnride247 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cleveland,TN
Posts: 1,272
[QUOTE=zeroaxe]wrenchnride247,



18 years, good lord! will this be what you are referring to?



Yes thats it.
__________________
1970 T1 W/MassIVe 2913cc RAT/?EFI? w/direct fire (very soon) and 915 trans

1962 SC 1776cc SP 944NA brakes, 993 wheels

VKG
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old September 11th 2006, 02:56
zeroaxe zeroaxe is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Linthelles, France
Posts: 260
wrenchnride247,

Thanks for that. I will be looking into getting one sometime soon I hope. I wont be doing a lot of different sizes often, so only one tool would be sufficient. I have got another question though. How does it 'attach' to the mill? In the picture, I cant see/make out how the tool fits the machine, and (to my shame) I can not recall how the one of my previous boss attached. I believe it was the same tool though.

Anyway, back on topic with some news/developements. Here is what were suggested by another aid I have:
Quote:
I've arrowed some marks that suggest exhaust gasses escaping from the combustion chamber.



On reflection, if there are similar marks on the same side of #4 (I think) cyl,
here

this would be a good indication of the head not sitting square onto the cylinders.
And my response to this was:
Quote:
Dayum, Keen eye you got there!!! And thanks. I didnt notice that before, but now I know for future.

The only way I can think of to check if the sleeves are sitting square on the engine case, is to bolt them down with spacers and check the 'level' in relation to each other. Problem is that the spacers will be pushing on the fins itself and crack them if torqued... Any other suggestions? And how can I possibly tell if the heads are sitting square after they are bolted on? All I can think of is putting (only)the sleeves in the head, and maybe try bolt them down somehow, and check the 'level' (???)

I will get some emery paper on those heads and re-lap the sleeves, this is turning out to be a very annoying experience (although I am learning from it!!! )
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old September 11th 2006, 09:29
wrenchnride247's Avatar
wrenchnride247 wrenchnride247 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cleveland,TN
Posts: 1,272
Zeroaxe, If you get mill set P/N GB 700B the cutter head comes with the 3/4 shank (for 3/4 mill collet) that threads into the 7/8 9 threaded hole in cutter. They do this so the cutter fits their drill press version also. The drill press version would be the easier one to set-up and use. The mill version can be a PITA if you've never used a mill before.

The pictures do show major head leaks, having poorly machined heads will do that.

Moog, thanks for posting. I'm glad someone else is wanting to help too.
__________________
1970 T1 W/MassIVe 2913cc RAT/?EFI? w/direct fire (very soon) and 915 trans

1962 SC 1776cc SP 944NA brakes, 993 wheels

VKG
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old September 11th 2006, 15:55
zeroaxe zeroaxe is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Linthelles, France
Posts: 260
wrenchnride247,

I am now officialy confused, lol. Are you saying that there is an optional shank that needs to be bought for a drill press?(I meant to say earlier it is for a drill press I would like). I tried searching for a pic of the fly cutter assembled with the shank but came up empty handed...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old September 11th 2006, 22:54
wrenchnride247's Avatar
wrenchnride247 wrenchnride247 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cleveland,TN
Posts: 1,272
The drill press version comes with a base that bolts to your head stud holes, and the shank and stop collar (so you get the hole depth the same, and centered on all cylinders every time ) this cost about $275 US in a 2000 copy of Berg price list I have, maybe higher now though. It includes everything need, but drill press.
__________________
1970 T1 W/MassIVe 2913cc RAT/?EFI? w/direct fire (very soon) and 915 trans

1962 SC 1776cc SP 944NA brakes, 993 wheels

VKG
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old September 26th 2006, 12:14
zeroaxe zeroaxe is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Linthelles, France
Posts: 260
Well, here is a quick update...

Today I spend a lot of time modding my engine stand, adding a third 'arm'. I dont feel cofortable with a whole engine hanging only from the two arms. I have seen those mounting plates bend too much for my liking.(plus, the bottom stud that it would normally bolt onto has pulled it's thread again. I fixed it once already! should I try and get hold of helicoil inserts, or does it not really matter *that* much on a motor that is supported at the back with an engine bar(like a Vanagon/Transporter)?

Anyway, using this tool:

I found the following deck height readings with a vernier caliper.

#1 = 1.26mm/0.049"
#2 = 1.5mm/0.059
#3 = 1.26mm/0.049"
#4 = 1.22mm/0.048"

What do you guys make of this? Is this considered 'in spec'?

Tomorrow I hope to get the readings off the valves and check for coil/valve spring bind.

Thanks for your input!
__________________
Zeroaxe
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old September 26th 2006, 17:53
Moog's Avatar
Moog Moog is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Brighton, UK.
Posts: 74
I would say those readings are OK as far as making sure the pistons are not going to tap the heads while revving, BUT...

Variation from piston 1 to 2 is quite a bit - why is this? Is it piston variation, or are the cylinders sitting at different heights. Both cylinders on each side must be perfectly matched in order that the head sits square - if not then it sits askew and you blow out of one side of each chamber - as at least one of the heads seems to be blowing on one side of each cylinder only, maybe this is part of the problem?

With these deck height readings what does the compression ratio work out at - have you cc'd the combustion chambers to work it out?

Of course, there is still the possible issue of coil bind, and at least one valve tapping a piston - put some thin layer of plasticene / blu-tack on each piston crown, do a dry build, turn the engine over by hand, then take it apart to see the marks the valves leave in it - slice it carefully and you can measure how close the valve is getting to the piston crown.

Hope this helps...

Moog
__________________
(o\ /o) '73 GT Beetle with 2.1 WBX (owned since 1990)
(o\ /o) '74 Jeans Beetle (owned since 1986)
(o\ /o) '67 Zenith Blue Beetle (needs lots of work..)
'02 Passat Sport Diseasel Estate ("Das Boot")
'05 Seat Leon FR, chipped (Mrs Moog's toy really...)
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 00:03.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© www.GermanLook.net 2002-2017. All Rights Reserved