front brakes

[Bruce2]

Drum brake upgrades are easier than you may think. If you can find a dead Super Beetle, they have bigger front drums that are both wider and larger in dia. The only alteration you need to do is redrill the backing plate's mounting holes to fit the pattern on your standard Beetle. You have to get everything from the Super, most importantly, the wheel cylinders.

The rears can be upgraded too. Find a dead 66-73 Type 3. Again, get everything off the rear of that and install on your Beetle.

[Veedub]

Originally Posted by Bruce2

Drum brake upgrades are easier than you may think. If you can find a dead Super Beetle, they have bigger front drums that are both wider and larger in dia. The only alteration you need to do is redrill the backing plate's mounting holes to fit the pattern on your standard Beetle. You have to get everything from the Super, most importantly, the wheel cylinders.

The rears can be upgraded too. Find a dead 66-73 Type 3. Again, get everything off the rear of that and install on your Beetle.

Could I get the super beetle front drum brakes and rear Type 3 drums new from a shop and buy the wheel cylinders new?Just wondering as I feel weird buying used parts, bad luck .
Would this work?
http://www.800luvbugg.com/shop?frame=3.46.4690
And with this Id assume Id have to get super beetle brake lines?
http://www.800luvbugg.com/shop?frame=3.46.6586
and the drums
http://www.800luvbugg.com/shop?frame=3.48.4700
Then for the rear drums would this work?Mostly because Type 3's here are a PITA to find.
http://www.800luvbugg.com/shop?frame=6.45.4701
and this if I need it
http://www.800luvbugg.com/shop?frame=6.46.4690

Thanks Bruce, I wasnt really sure if Disc brakes were the only option.I know the stock drums would probably give up with a 1914cc(something that will come way way later on down the road) 1 project at a time

would these drums change my offset at all if any?

[Veedub]

haha or maybe one of you guys if your close to me, that has a super beetle and is converting over to whatever bolt pattern porsche? and you dont need the super beetle front drums will let me have them same with T-3 guys. Im in Orlando Florida by the way.

[oasis]

Well, I didn't know Supers and standards had different drum brakes. Since Bruce2 knows they are wider with a larger diameter, that would change your offset requirements.

It pains me to see your request. I couldn't give away my drums when I did my brake upgrade two years ago. They are probably in some landfill right now doing no one any good.

If you are considering wheels with non-traditional bolt patterns, why not buy some blank drums and have them studded the way you want them? (I do realize new costs more than free ... I am just tossing you a thought provoker, that's all.)

[wrenchnride247]

I have a set of front super drum assy... off a '79 vert. I put a top line disc kit and spring kit on for my father-in-law. Let me make sure there still in the basement when I get home... you pay shipping and there yours.

[wrenchnride247]

Veedub, I still have them. They were rebuilt not long before I did the swap to disc. You will need to clean and re-pack the bearings and get new seals. You pay shipping, and there your's dude! Here's a pic.



Also, I have a set of disc brake spindle's, caliper's (three of them), and backing plates. I can't remember were I got the third caliper from, but it's new in the box! All you need are rotor's (your choice of bolt pattern), bearings, and seals. These fit '66 and later STD T1's. $40 plus shipping and the disc kit is yours, or any one else. Here's a pic.

[Veedub]

Sweet, I'll show my dad the pics and see what he says, hes not happy about the redrilling part that Bruce said would need to be done, and was like, just get ghia disc brakes but that would make my wheels stick out farther, along with the drop spindles.Which, makes me ask, since those are Super Beetle drums would I be able to run those with drop spindles, and will I need to do anything to them besides redrill the backing plate or whatever it was.And could I get away with super beetle drums up front and standard beetle drums in rear?Also if I get those, what all parts would I need to buy, master cylinder, brake lines etc. also do I go by super beetle when getting the other parts?
Thank you Wrenchnride.

[Veedub]

Originally Posted by oasis

Well, I didn't know Supers and standards had different drum brakes. Since Bruce2 knows they are wider with a larger diameter, that would change your offset requirements

Anybody know if theres a difference in the offsets with disc brakes and s/b drums up front, just wondering is all

[flat]

Originally Posted by Veedub

Anybody know if theres a difference in the offsets with disc brakes and s/b drums up front, just wondering is all

Basically nothing. It's within 1mm or so.

Lanner

[Veedub]

Lanner, I don't know if you would know the answer, but my rims Im going to try to use are 4.5" wide with a 2" backspace not sure on the offset but would I be able to run disc brakes with them?If not I'm going to probably go with narrow rims up front and wide rims in rear, found a site that sells 15x7 and 8" wide stock chrome rims... If discs wont work I'll go for the chrome rims, which are probably heavy..but there cool

[Bruce2]

Originally Posted by Veedub

Could I get the super beetle front drum brakes and rear Type 3 drums new from a shop and buy the wheel cylinders new?Just wondering as I feel weird buying used parts, bad luck .
Would this work?

The whole point of using Super Beetle brakes is to save the cost of new parts. It makes no sense whatsoever to buy all new SB drum bits when the cost of all new KG discs is about the same. The SB drum upgrade is excellent for those on a really tight budget and can find good used parts for next to nothing.

[Veedub]

Originally Posted by Bruce2

The whole point of using Super Beetle brakes is to save the cost of new parts. It makes no sense whatsoever to buy all new SB drum bits when the cost of all new KG discs is about the same. The SB drum upgrade is excellent for those on a really tight budget and can find good used parts for next to nothing.

I'm not really on a tight budget.I'm more or less thinking about my offset of my wheels,they stick out the sides and inch front and rear.Which wouldn't change my offset, is there a disc brake kit that does not change offset at all?
wheel offset 0 and 2inch backspacing