Roof spoiler effectiveness

[Eatoniashoprat]

Glad to see I'm not alone in my wonderings. Now I know the roof spoiler only reduces lift at high speeds and I know how it does it, but I I guess the question is, how effective is it at reducing lift and at what speeds.

Mike

[volkdent]

I have a pretty clear idea of what I want to do in the front of my car, but at the back, I've been toying with the idea of a rear window mounted lip, similar to the new beetle turbo rear window flip up lip. I think one could be fabricated to actually glue to the rear window with 3M double sided tap. It's not going to be a big + downforce tool, just reduce lift, so I don't think the rear window would have any trouble dealing with the downforce, especially spread over the entire top surface of the window. Lots of stuff to do before then, front airdam first, but I think I'll probably get there, bugs just want to take flight with the shape of the rear end!

Jason

[gonebuggy]

Driving a bug that regularly sees over 100mph, a rear spoiler is not what you need to worry about. The rear of my car stays nicely planted. but the front end starts to feel light. you can start to feel the steering loose it's responsiveness (very slightly, but still a loss) Not having run a front, or rear spoiler i cant say how effective they would be. I think a small "lip" over the rear window would help, but personally i'd concentrate on keeping the front planted.

Alex

[Eatoniashoprat]

Originally Posted by gonebuggy

Driving a bug that regularly sees over 100mph, a rear spoiler is not what you need to worry about. The rear of my car stays nicely planted. but the front end starts to feel light. you can start to feel the steering loose it's responsiveness (very slightly, but still a loss) Not having run a front, or rear spoiler i cant say how effective they would be. I think a small "lip" over the rear window would help, but personally i'd concentrate on keeping the front planted.

Alex

Thanks Alex, that's interesting to hear. So if no front air dam is used then the best one can do is have the car as low as possible to the ground and possibly the front a little lower than the back? Is your car fairly low?

[judgie]

i have done some testing on track with a few bits and i can tell you the biggest differance in time was a deep front spoiler and splitter, just under 8 seconds at prescott which is under a mile long
didn't feel a lot different. the rear wing i run makes approx 80kg of downforce at 90mph and makes a huge difference to how the car feels at speed but not a lot in time, just feels a lot more stable.
if you want to make a big differance but not have it on show then try and make the under side as flat and smooth as poss with a slight front rear rake. front lower. vented backs to all wings makes a differance.
what ever you do make it strong, made the mistake of making the front splitter mounts out of 1.5mm alloy plate, at 100mph it bent now you can stand on the splitter.
cheers rob

[Eatoniashoprat]

Good info Rob, thanks.

[Turbo Haraune2]

I have a porsche "whale tail" on my car. it works from about 60mph.
Drove it once without the tail and declid, and it felt unstable over 65mph.

Get a big spoiler.